@Dwumblord @L_D_G Eegads. Anointing a nominee almost never works. Think back the last 30 years.
Bob Dole - anointed GOP in 1996.
Al Gore - anointed Dem in 2000
John McCain - anointed GOP in 2008
Mitt Romney - anointed GOP in 2012
Hillary Clinton - anointed Dem in 2016
These were all acclaimed in advance as the nominee, and other opponents were cleared out of the way.
Hillary Clinton did do very well in the general election, winning the popular vote by a good margin, despite foreign interference -- so, while I agree with the overall sentiment against the party anointing candidates, I am not sure that's as strong a case as folks make it out to be.
And yes, there were shenanigans in the primaries -- partly by the party and partly by the media.
I don't consider that a good reason not to vote for Sanders, though.
@tyghebright I am afraid i disagree first and foremost electibility and forget the rest we need to win....@gshevlin @L_D_G @Dwumblord
@catlynne333 @Dwumblord @L_D_G @gshevlin
My problem with that is when we focus on electability, we get pablum that no one really likes. The things people think lead to electability, like being middle of the road, tend to NOT get us a candidate who anyone actually wants to vote for.
Mitt Romney was considered highly "electable".
@tyghebright well i think democrats are to idealistic and want to elect some ideal rather than worry about winning.. I have seen it before in caucus and have spoken up and gotten a candidate that wins rather than some idealistic tokenism @gshevlin @L_D_G @Dwumblord
@tyghebright @L_D_G @Dwumblord @catlynne333 So was Al Gore...until he wasn't elected.
The anointed nominee of a party is usually a milquetoast moderate who is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
@tyghebright @gshevlin @L_D_G @Dwumblord people really need to put on their big boy and big girl pants and remember what the goal is, and it's a no shit gotta happen goal, which is getting Trump out of the WH, nothing else matters...
@Madken65 @Dwumblord @L_D_G @gshevlin
I think the way we get there is to have passionate candidates people can care about and connect to.
And by getting people registered and motivated to vote.
I will vote for the Dem candidate, whomever they are. I'll even campaign for them.
But I'll also do my best to engage with multiple candidates before the primaries, and see who inspires folks. (Which is why I think Buttigieg is going to do better than many suspect.)
@Madken65 totally agree lets get a winning candidate and campaign like crazy... get out the vote @Dwumblord @L_D_G @gshevlin @tyghebright
@Madken65 @Dwumblord @L_D_G @gshevlin @tyghebright
Exactly!
We have the primaries/caucuses to vote for the person we think is best suited for the position.
Thereโs no trophy for people that stay home for the general election because their primary choice didnโt get the nomination.
@Madken65 @Dwumblord @L_D_G @gshevlin @tyghebright protecting democracy and the constitution is what matters
removing corrupt politicians is instrumental for that protection
@tyghebright @Dwumblord @gshevlin
"And yes, there were shenanigans in the primaries -- partly by the party and partly by the media.
I don't consider that a good reason not to vote for Sanders, though."
For some reason, this mindset remains remarkable to me. I mean, it's great...it's very greater good...but I'm just amazed his supporters don't feel a sense of defeat or betrayal from that party makes them maybe question his chances.
Of course they feel betrayed. And many of them didn't vote in 2016 because of it. That's no solution.
Certainly people who support Sanders aren't going to not vote for him and instead embrace whomever the DNC anoints? And voting third party is suicide.
I don't get your reasoning.
"Well, this party really screwed us last time, so lets just trust them completely now."?
@tyghebright @Dwumblord @gshevlin
Electability has also been mentioned in this thread and I'd bet that person-Bernie or not-gets the push from the Democrats. Save true ideals for the next election and maybe ease into them with the more electable person this time (I had thought Biden served as a unifier for 4 years and then throw his support behind someone more left next time).
After the last election, it just seems like it'd be hard to trust the DNC to nominate and get behind Bernie.
@Dwumblord @L_D_G @gshevlin
Sanders is not my favorite candidate, but for reasons that have nothing to do with the DNC.
I consider Warren to have similar policies with a much stronger track record of getting them enacted.
I hope people will pay attention to the policies, plans, and voting records of candidates rather than voting based on BS like likeability or electability.