On another note, @th3j35t3r, if you really want this place to be the best alternative for Twitter and entice users to leave there, you should figure out how to add a feature that's equivalent to the quote-tweet. It would def improve the UX, and you might find tweeters, ahem, flocking here.
@ml8_ml8 @th3j35t3r
I have about 20-25 people that I talk to on Twitter, everyday.
Only 2 of them have moved to Counter Social (I tried to get them to move).
No, Nope, Nada, Never.
There is NO benefit of the "quote tweet". It is the whisper behind someones back. It disavows actual human communication. Engaging in dialog with others, builds community and understanding.
@corlin @th3j35t3r If I want to pass along a link to an article from the NYT 's account, and make a comment about it, that starts the conversation. I'm not engaging in a conversation behind the NYT's back.
Ok understood.
But just make a new post.
Put the link in as a normal link.
Or reply to someone that did the above.
It is all threaded here. and folks can read the whole conversation.
@corlin Then I have to copy the link and paste it into a post. That's a complete pain! Why can't i just quote it?
@corlin I mean, seriously, the clicking and pasting required on this site to pass along links is ridiculous.
I am now muting the rest of this conversation.
Out of small pain comes growth.
Out of avoidance of small pain comes ignorance.
@ml8_ml8 @th3j35t3r Oof, no thanks.
I know some groups have found use for the quote tweet on Twitter, but mostly I see it being used to drive anger and create "Main Characters" upon which others can dunk.
I like the CoSo way, which is a combination of our cultural bent against the "subtweet" and the technological constrain that if you want to comment on someone's post, you have to do it directly.
@lenaoflune @th3j35t3r Unclear what you mean by this. Can you explain? How does a QT do that?
@ml8_ml8 @th3j35t3r My experience is that, since a QT disconnects a post from that user by creating a new thread of discussion, it makes it far easier to grow the visibility of a tweet while simultaneously removing its context and direct discussion with the original poster in that context.
These things together don't lead to the type of connected discussions that CoSo culture prefers, IMHO.
@ml8_ml8 My two cents: hard pass.
That one feature is the root of most evil on Twitter. It divorces people from accountability for their interactions, increasing gossip and toxicity. It's why things "go viral," and going viral is not good.
I am immediately skeptical of any platform that includes it. @th3j35t3r
@kel Best way to replicate the Twitter experience is stick to Twitter.🤷♂️
@ml8_ml8 @th3j35t3r
@FrankCannon @kel @ml8_ml8 @th3j35t3r
The LAST thing I want to do is replicate #twitter. It has taken months to recover from that hellscape.
@LnzyHou Deffo don't want any algorithims here that can be exploited by the drive-by "influencers" pushing their sites and merch. @kel @ml8_ml8 @th3j35t3r
@LnzyHou @FrankCannon @kel @ml8_ml8 @th3j35t3r
Agreed completely.
@FrankCannon @kel @th3j35t3r I do not necessarily want to recreate "the Twitter experience" (meaing, the culture), but I do like the functionality and find CoSo and Masto awkward and expect I"m not the only one.
@ml8_ml8 There's a method to the madness, and it's made this the best community online for over 5 years. #justsayin @FrankCannon @th3j35t3r
@kel @th3j35t3r Someone makes a post that includes a cool article that's linked. You want to pass it along to your followers and add a comment. What do you do?
@ml8_ml8 Boost it then comment. Now you're contributing to an organic conversation. @th3j35t3r
@kel @th3j35t3r Then the two are now in separate posts. And I have to engage in multiple clicks to understand the reference in the second post back to the first one.
@ml8_ml8 It's all threaded under the original post.
QTs are what break the conversation.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ @th3j35t3r
@kel @th3j35t3r What if I want to pass along an article from the NYTs? Have a convo among my followers? I don't want to have that conversation under the NYT (or other general info provider's) account. Does the NYT have a COSO account? No, and that might well be why.
@ml8_ml8 If I want to see NYT content, then I will go to the NYT. If I have something to say about it, then I will start a post and a share a link.
Honestly, I don't want major media companies having presences here. All they do is post click-bait, because that's their business model in 2023.
Could be CoSo isn't for you. That's alright. Go be happy wherever you're happy, and with our blessing. ✌️ @th3j35t3r
@kel @th3j35t3r Just said this to someone else, but the clicking and pasting required to share information on here is just ridiculous. And seriously, you wouldn't want the New York Times to have an account on here? Really?
@ml8_ml8 Sharing links is a bit too much work for you, eh?
Interesting.
And no. I think it's safe to say that if NYT showed up here, I'd block them immediately. Doubt I'm alone in that. @th3j35t3r
@kel @th3j35t3r Interesting. I get why folks would want to be part of a small group server on Masto, but I sort of thought CoSo was meant to be more of a general use site than a very limited community. It's an interesting tension.
@ml8_ml8 It's whatever you make it, but it's entirely up to you. No one is going to hand-hold your experience here.
Frankly, the overwhelming majority of "tension" that I've seen since I've been here comes from people who want it to be what it is not.
@kel @th3j35t3r I meant "tension" in the sense of a tension between two extremes, in this case a small community and a large one.
@ml8_ml8 Maybe hit up the about pages. This place is aptly named. It was founded and continues to exist to counter all of that nonsense.
If you really think about it, that's where the rest of them went wrong. They aimed for growth at the expense of quality. @th3j35t3r
@kel @th3j35t3r Maybe the primary difference is the difference between being a place to rapidly share information versus a place to have conversations. Quoting helps rapidly share information. On Twitter, I follow people all over the world. Used to trade extensively. Extraordinary how fast critical trading info surfaces on Twitter. Usu know market moving info within seconds. Here, not so much. Not bad, just different.
@ml8_ml8 That already exists.
This is something different.
Could be you've already picked up that, yes? 😉 @th3j35t3r
@kel @th3j35t3r Sure, but I'd rather have both over here. But maybe that's not possible either for technical reasons or cultural ones. Again, all very interesting to me.
@kel @th3j35t3r Probably why Jester is constantly linking to tweets on his feed here. He's using twitter to get information quickly and using CoSo to share it to his followers and have convo's about it.
@LnzyHou I really don't think adding user functionality would recreate the culture of Twitter, it would just make CoSo (and/or Masto) easier to use.
@th3j35t3r I'm curious what others might think of that idea?