Only stream I can find for now...
Ground level from across the bay.
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My assumption at the moment is that there is no ammunition* or AV fuel on board.
*The six SAM systems are almost certainly loaded.
Two 8-cell RIM-7 Sea Sparrow launchers.
Two 21-cell RIM-116 RAM launchers
Two 20mm Phalanx systems.
The missile launch containers can withstand a tremendous amount of heat. The Phalanx not so much.
Fuel burns are coming from the ships own engine tanks and other sources.
Fires still burning. USN and Federal fire fighter teams on board.
Helicopters were used to drop water on the ship overnight.
Not seeing any of the fire fighting tug boats.
Almost all of the ships nearby have been moved - except for two of the LCS ships. One of the two DDG-1000's has been moved, the other is still pier side about 1000 meters away from the fire. All 3 other amphib ships are also still in place.
This, from CDR Salamandar speaks volumes.
We got damn lucky.
My count of ships that, for various reasons, were not moved as of 11:30am Monday...
LCS class - 9.
Burke class DDG - 8
Tico class CG - 1
DDG-1000 - 1
Amphib - 3 (number 4 is burning)
Cargo (various classes) - 11
All but one of the Freedom class LCS were moved. None of the Independence class LCS were moved.
Fore and aft islands and masts both melted down.
Bridge completely burned out.
Ship is listing. Onboard pumps never turned on.
Still has around 1 million gallons of AV gas in the bottom hold/tanks.
Fires were spread by burning vehicle fuel. Pouring water on them only helped them spread faster and further. Some auto foam/halon suppression systems worked, but ran dry quickly.
Harbor PD using all of their foam on the outer hull was useless wasteful.
List has stabilized (for now), but she's very low at the bow. Can't tell if the bow line snapped or if she's settled on the shallow bottom.
Seahawk helicopters still running nonstop, dropping water. 2 hoses from the pier and at least 1 big fire tug still operating.
No more black smoke (this is very good). Just thin white smoke and steam.
I saw a report earlier (can't find it now) that there were 500 and 1000 lb bombs in the magazines, but haven't seen that verified.
@voltronic Possible, but kind of unlikely.
All bombs after and including the Mk82/83/84 are designed to melt down rather than explode in a fire.
Yeah, I wonder how much they would get used on an amphibious assault craft. A carrier would be part of the battle group anyway, right?
Good to hear about the meltdown design.
@voltronic Direct close air support for USMC by the Harriers or Lightnings.
@Render Any idea what started it?
@ChippySuave Not yet. That may take a while to confirm.
Early reports were a welding accident.
@Render still burning, geez, what went off on that ship?
@elmaxx Looks like USMC vehicles in their parking hanger.
@Render I hope they have proper safety for their lungs. 😱
One small bright spot in a long list of "Oh, holy shit"s.
@Render how toxic is that smoke? why haven't the other ships w sailors aboard not been moved yet? it seems we are leaving them in extreme danger w breathing toxic fumes during a pandemic
@MarianneWerzOBrien I think you may have asked this earlier and I forgot to respond, sorry.
1: No more or less than in a similar sized major building fire. That being said: There is a Shelter-in-Place order for San Diego in and around the pier area.
2: Aprox 1/3rd of the ships that were visible in the immediate area yesterday have already been moved (most last night). The remaining probably don't have functioning engines & skeleton caretaker crews. They do have oxygen masks/gear.
@Render good to hear - "No more black smoke (this is very good). Just thin white smoke and steam."
@Render Rest In Peace, USS Bonhomme Richard. Any word on the cause of the fire?
@ACG2 Not yet. Only that the fire started in contractors equipment stored on the vehicle deck.
@Render 57! That's a lot considering!
Aren't there fire-suppression systems throughout the ship? Doesn't it have compartmentalization to enable containment.
Were the suppression systems disabled during repairs? Was the hangar fire just too big? How would this have played out during a battle (what would have been different - less fragile)?
Was there simply not enough crew on board to close hatches, etc to contain?
A fire during major repairs doesn't seem entirely surprising, but being able to get that out of control does.
Not expecting you have answers - but maybe some insights. This is tragic and shocking.
This isn't the first time (by a long shot).
And it certainly will not be the last time either.
Yeah, I saw the Russian carrier disaster - similar results. Given the recent, um, unfortunate accidents in Iran, I can't help but wonder if some of these "ooops, it caught fire/exploded while no one was looking" events might have had help (including Russian carrier). It's a hell of a lot less warlike to destroy something largely unmanned while under susceptible repairs than deliberately making it go boom at other times (like the Cole)
1: Yes, many.
2: Yes, normally.
3: Probably at least some were disabled.
4: Unknown, yet.
5: Depends, see 6 below.
7: Perfect storms do exist.
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