Ok, folks, let's tell some truth for a moment. Unless you know Joe Biden personally, you don't see any signs of his decline. What you are seeing is what other people are saying about his decline. You see carefully curated clips that are deliberately cropped or edited to make him appear senile. What really shows that you are arguing in bad faith is how you refuse to say anything about Trump, though. Trump gets a free pass, while you point at Biden. It is obvious what you are doing.
@sirgeefive
I felt the same way until I watched every excruciating moment of the debate. That was not a stutter or a cold, or over preparation or under preparation. It was either a shocking medical decline or he was drugged.
I believe Biden has been the best president of my lifetime. i have donated every penny I could to his campaign and will support him if he runs, but my sincere belief after watching the debate with my own eyes is Biden has an irreversible condition.
@GreenCheese I hear you, and I will again point out that you have nothing to say about Trump. You are focused only on Biden, which makes your argument disingenuous.
@sirgeefive
We already know how horrible Trump is, that has been established. What we need now is the strongest candidate to run against him. I heard Harris speak yesterday coherently and forcefully about Trump. She said all the things that Biden couldn’t say during the debate. If she is chosen, I will continue to donate every penny I can afford to support her. If Biden remains, I will support him as well, knowing that the odds of him winning are slimmer.
@GreenCheese Um, no. I lived with dementia that is not it. Also, read the transcript @sirgeefive
If you watched the debate, you are not arguing in bad faith.
@LnzyHou I would hate to see me in a debate. I imagine that I would stumble over words and have long pauses as well. I would especially hate having my entire life decided by one debate performance. Heck, you ever watch Trump talk? Why not mention the difference between the two rather than just focus on one debate performance and one candidate.
Jeez the old guy stumbled and could barely keep up with the other old guy's lies.
Bad faith.
My opinion is just as valid as yours.
@LnzyHou I absolutely agree that your opinion is valid.
@LnzyHou @sirgeefive
I don't think one debate should have this much power
Unfortunately it does
@LnzyHou @sirgeefive
Only to the doom and gloom folks
We’ll find out how many of those we have won’t we?
@sirgeefive I don't really care about Biden's debate performance. I care about his unconditional support of Israel (my tax dollars paying for a genocide). I also care about the U.S. producing more oil than any other nation, thanks to Biden, when we should be scaling back our use of oil drastically. I feel lied to too. I'm in my 60's. I'm still uncommitted, but I would give Harris a chance. And btw, Trump can go to hell.
@NorthWestBird How will Trump be different in supporting Israel? How will Trump be different with the US production of oil?
I don't like the choices either. I have many things that I disagree with Biden on. I also know that he doesn't make all of the decisions. He is part of the government, not the entire government. So, I get that it is easy to blame him for policy, but policy is determined by more than the president.
Even more than I disagree with Biden, I completely disagree with Trump.
@sirgeefive Trump wouldn't be any different. The president LEADS the government. I have the luxury of living in a reliably blue state, so I will probably vote for Jill Stein is Biden is the Democratic nominee. If he withdraws, however, I might vote for Kamala Harris just to add one more to the popular vote tally. Or I might not. Still uncommitted.
@NorthWestBird I am not here to tell you who to vote for. I do know that voting for an non-electable third party is not a winning formula. I also live in a reliably blue state. I will vote for Biden, just to prevent 2016 from happening again.
@NorthWestBird Just as an aside, the executive branch a co-equal 1/3 of government. If you need to see that in action, just take a look at Biden's student loan forgiveness. He might want it, but the judicial branch, which is also a co-equal 1/3 of the government is preventing his wishes. We don't have a unitary executive, no matter how much the Republicans want one.
No need to be condescending. I, together with 50 million people, watched the debate. Most of us immediately came to the conclusion that Biden's cognitive skills have declined strongly. You, on the other hand, came to the conclusion that he just had a bad day without having any medical knowledge.
@sirgeefive Trump has a Cheeto for a brain.
@sirgeefive counterpoints: 1). I know what I saw at the debate and in at least a half dozen other public appearances. In all of them there was obvious significant decline in cognitive function. So enough gaslighting. 2) it’s not about if he can do the job. It’s about whether he can win. I don’t think he can. I’m an organizer and just spent 3 hours talking to voters: strong dems only. They will vote for anyone at the top of the ticket. But their voting age kids will not. /1