@nursefrombirth i.e. I wouldn't automatically make claims about cross tattoo or celtic tattoos because I know people that have them who do not support extremists. But Deus Vult is the white supremacists who hate muslims, jews, gays, poc.

@AnnetteTRemain School me! I don't know much about extremist symbols, seems I need to learn now. 🤔

@nursefrombirth Which part the Deus Vult or the celtic/nordic? Multiple articles can be found on deus vult. They were chanting it in Charlottesville. A lot of the white nationalist crusader stuff got popular with online gang forums where they infect our young. https://www.history.com/news/how-hate-groups-are-hijacking-medieval-symbols-while-ignoring-the-facts-behind-them

@AnnetteTRemain Good article. The Deus Vult is what I'm not familiar with.

@nursefrombirth Some of the trolls I messed with on X were Deus Vult. These guys are very nazi, i.e. they can hint Hitler wasn't wrong, but they are coy nazi types like Spencer. They nest most of it in western civilization romance where one can draw conclusion we are better without usually outright saying it. It's a way to get people to accept white nationalism without knowing they are. I don't know how many people know what actual nazi speech sounds like.

@nursefrombirth I will try to say this carefully to avoid someone taking it the wrong way. The "best" recruitors for nazis and klan do not "sound" nazi or klan. If one listens to many David Duke or Richard Spencer speeches or even early Hitler the focus is on romanticism of the past and how we can be so much better than what we are. It's a sirens song. If you are familiar with sirens they used to lure men to their deaths.

@AnnetteTRemain @nursefrombirth

Annette, I know exactly what you mean by this. I have heard that siren's song myself. They don't sound hateful at first and to the casual listener, they start out sounding rational.

(I'm half deaf and kind of weird, though.)

That's the scary thing about those songs, though.

They start out sounding harmless, and they come from the mouths of people who call themselves geniuses and protectors.

Next thing you know, there's a holocaust or lynching.

@AnnetteTRemain @nursefrombirth

Although I should also add I am not an expert on extremist tattoos or symbolism.

But this guy sounds like extremely bad news. 😟

@janallmac ADL and SPLC have hate symbols. I used to look them up a lot on X. https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbols/search @nursefrombirth

@AnnetteTRemain @nursefrombirth

I have a feeling we are all going to need to familiarize ourselves with these things.

@AnnetteTRemain @janallmac Thank you. Whew, a lot to learn and yes, we should all be aware of what these things mean.

@janallmac Yes. I started listening to several when the alt right burst onto scene with Trump. Not out of love. Know your enemy. The propaganda people weren't what I quite expected. It's usually what they are NOT saying or the implications of what they've said so far that are the problem. Once you know what the speech sounds like you start noticing how many people parrot them. @nursefrombirth

@janallmac Short version they get you to acknowledge some of the beautiful statues, architecture, advancements in western civ, they get you to acknowledge differences in culture and even racial characteristics like some people heritage more are built to be better runners or builders, that we should appreciate everyones cultures, then they get into where some cultures don't align. @nursefrombirth

@AnnetteTRemain @nursefrombirth

Yep, they start using catchphrases.

And, they start talking about Ayn Rand a lot and telling everyone else how great they themselves are. 🙄 They tend to be very, very proud, but not in a fun or harmless way, in a "look how much better I am than you are" way. And they think everyone else is stupid.

It's a whole vibe, you know? And for me, a huge red flag. 😟 Thank you for sharing the info!

@janallmac I know anyone who waxes sweet on Ayn Rand and I won't get along. And if they talk about western civ too much without being in a western civ class or being western civ professor. Ayn Rand worshipped a child murderer. @nursefrombirth

@janallmac I'm also a Christian who loves Crusader imagery and games but have steered completely clear of any of that because of very strong liklihood of running into extremist. I'm so jaded now if I saw someone put up a calendar with knights on it I'd be giving them the squirrel eye. @nursefrombirth

@AnnetteTRemain @nursefrombirth

Oh, and you know what else they do? People who have become drunk on this siren's song? They start claiming expertise they don't have. Expertise you know for a rock-solid fact they don't have, often medical expertise or similar.

@AnnetteTRemain @nursefrombirth
Anyway, sorry for rambling. This struck a nerve. Love to you both.

@janallmac Not rambling. I like running into people who have watched them too. There are hours of my life I can't get back watching some of them discuss sand measurements in skull as evidence of intelligence which was debunked like 100 yrs ago. They do a lot of crackpot science. @nursefrombirth

@AnnetteTRemain @janallmac Thank you both so much. Look forward to exploring a bit further.

@nursefrombirth I've been following them for 8 years. If you start immersing yourself remember to take breathers and look at good things. @janallmac

@janallmac Love back at ya.
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@AnnetteTRemain

@janallmac @AnnetteTRemain So the sirens give them FAKE wisdom 🤔

@nursefrombirth The sirens are they lure them with the romance, tell insecure people they come from a line of greatness and are capable of so much more, hint at others not coming from line of greatness, indicate the others are keeping them down. Basically they bait them then build upon the foundation of white supremacy. @janallmac

@nursefrombirth the story starts beautiful and ends bad. But if they can get them to bite on the lure they can reel them in the rest of the way. Unfortunately the nazi stuff doesn't look or sound nazi in the beginning. If you start watching Richard Spencer videos in youtube you will get a feel for it. Not the heil hitler stuff but his university and other speeches. Or read Charles Lindbergh 1939 readers digest article. THAT is what they really sound like. @janallmac

@AnnetteTRemain @nursefrombirth @janallmac Really good informative thread on nazi grooming. ❤️🙏❤️I’ll add this prescient 2021 article too: “ “Even at the gates of Auschwitz, the sign at the entrance proclaimed Arbeit Macht Frei (work makes free). But it was all a subterfuge and the ultimate goal was death, either a quick one in the gas chambers for most or a slow agonizing one for some in the forced labor camps.” https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/revive-light-and-truth-eschew-night-and-fog/
Also, follow @Render @AkomoCombine @matuzalem

@JGSchaefferGreat people to follow, great article, and agreed it's all subterfuge. @nursefrombirth @janallmac @Render @AkomoCombine @matuzalem

@nursefrombirth they get you to accept the land is yours, others do not belong there, then of course the pesky little issue of how to seperate those who belong from those who don't. Some will gladly handle the details while others will pretend to bury their head in sand and let them. @janallmac @Render @AkomoCombine @matuzalem

@JGSchaeffer @AnnetteTRemain @nursefrombirth @janallmac @Render @matuzalem

"Israel is a democratic and diverse country where all citizens, Jewish, Muslim, Christian and others have the right to vote. There are no public toilets, benches or other public spaces, buses, trains, hospitals, public schools or universities segregated by race or religion."

@AkomoCombine We weren't busting on Israel. We were discussing the deus vult and other white supremacy groups and how they can initially present as other than what they are. @JGSchaeffer @nursefrombirth @janallmac @Render @matuzalem

@AnnetteTRemain oh yeah just wanted to quote that from Leonard . ive followed him for years @JGSchaeffer @nursefrombirth @janallmac @Render @matuzalem

@janallmac Agree its the dog whistles and I try to give someone benefit of the doubt not everything is a dog whistle and it's establishing a theme on what they follow. States rights I think racist secessionist. If they start trending on western civ, european, culture, etc I start thinking white nationalist possible neonazi type. Deus Vult and iron cross is the white christian "crusaders". They love iron cross and crusader images on social media. @nursefrombirth

@janallmac Duke won't go to the end. He will get you to acknowledge people have different cultures and we should appreciate those cultures. Then he will bring up culture of the majority. It's implied "what to do". That's how many of them like Spencer prevent being deplatformed because they know what they can get away with. @nursefrombirth

@janallmac @AnnetteTRemain Every day I learn something new is a good day. Thanks for making this a good day. Lots of useful info.

@nursefrombirth welcome 💜 @janallmac

@nursefrombirth @janallmac @AnnetteTRemain There has been quite a bit of research on far right radicalization and how it works, since it's a threat to liberal democracy, and I found an informative summary of the literature at https://citap.pubpub.org/pub/jq7l6jny/release/1#_Toc90817250

@MeditatorMom thank you @nursefrombirth @janallmac

@janallmac agree they don't sound like what they are or what one might think they sound like if they never really listened to them. The high level ones don't. Their idiot insecure foot soldier types or trolls are more obvious. @nursefrombirth

@janallmac the devil isn't red with pointy horns and horribly scary looking. He shaves his head into cute frat boy nazi flip, wears khakis, nice sweaters, is college educated, well spoken, and can be very polite. The kind at first glance you might have over for dinner without thinking this boy is a nazi or serial killer. @nursefrombirth

@nursefrombirth Here's some more. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/local/charlottesville-videos/

@nursefrombirth This image is Charlottesville riot. "God wills it" Crusader stuff. They are cosplaying medieval crusaders. I actually love crusader imagery and castles and celtic or nordic symbols but this isn't same.