@wyrmeboi As a second point of debate, what gives you the right to discard the votes in the state primary elections?
@sirgeefive We all have watched older relatives or friends in decline. The successful agers do great late in life... until they don't. Thereafter the path of decline is very steep. That is my experience. The primary votes were cast before the worst of his decline became apparent. Also, 2/3rds of voters now say he should be step back. That also is a mandate.
@sirgeefive And I am not saying he should be set aside. The electoral votes are his. But saying we should not encourage him to step aside, and voluntarily give up control of the electors, or even have a debate about it, is insane. We lose with Joe. Period. I think we win with a younger candidate. The kids will come back.
@sirgeefive Nancy Pelosi thinks this, Hakeem Jeffries thinks this, and Chuck Schumer thinks this, and so do many others. AOC does not.
@wyrmeboi Are you getting your opinion from the people you listed here, or are you forming your own? I am confused. It might be all the triangulation.
@sirgeefive solution? A younger vibrant candidate. That probably will be Kamala Harris. That would be fine with me. Her numbers are tainted with young voters by association with Joe, but I think she can overcome that. Someone just suggested Pete/Gretchen; great combo. Super good, but the congressional black caucus will make a stink.
@sirgeefive Harris gets to use that money, even if Joe steps down, since she is on the ticket that raised it. Other candidates don't. It's a good argument for going with Harris.
@wyrmeboi Again, how about getting on ballots? Ohio is contesting Biden being on the ballot due to him not making a filing deadline.
Why not just support Biden? He already has a backup ready if he is unable to perform the job. That backup is your preferred candidate due to her age. If you spent half as much effort supporting the ticket as you do being a detractor, do you think you could help sway some voters who have been influenced by this deliberate Thiel campaign?
@sirgeefive I do support Biden, in a professional capacity. But I am saying that I don't believe that we win with him, and that the party would be better served to find an alternative right away. I have already explained why I think we should make that change: in short he won't win, and so Kamela will not be VP. She will not be available to step in. The ticket is a loser because they have alienated 10-15% of their voters who won't come back for Joe.
@sirgeefive Professionally, I am 100% on the script. I support Biden and tout his accomplishments at doors, but voters are telling me what they think. I am relaying that message. What I say on counter-social won't have any impact on this election at all, so I don't see what you mean by "detractor".
@wyrmeboi Well, Stephen, I appreciate you having a civil discussion with me. I believe that we are going to go back and forth and neither of us is going to convince the other. I will support the Democratic ticket no matter what, but I strongly support Biden, and I can see through this "dump Biden" scheme very easily. I hope that you have a great day.
@wyrmeboi Ok, so I am going to look past the obvious ageist stuff here and humor you for a moment. Harris is currently the vice president. She will automatically become president if something happens to Biden. Suggestions of candidates who have not filed to run are nice in a pipe dream, but we are around 100 days out to the election. Biden proclaims a 230 million dollar plus war chest. Do you think these other unannounced candidates can get the fundraising? How about getting on ballots?