@tgraph52 It is a multiple of factors, is it not? But to ignore this important factor in the media and commentary.. (except for Whoopi..) is not acceptable. I will put up a map of the actual demographic totals.. Steve bigboard style.. in a few days as illustrations of this.

@JazzCrafter

the totals don't reflect any reasoning or rationale...

@tgraph52 But the rhetoric that appealed specifically to this demo FOR YEARS.. is a certain reflection! So much that lies that *rump had a great economy that was actually constructed by Biden.. is widely believed to this day.. lies rooted in this cultural/economic conman good at "dog whistling.." It bothers me greatly that it is barely mentioned... as usual.

@tgraph52 again... wait a while until the actual county/parish wide vote demos emerge. Look at the corresponding 2020 demos an note the difference because Biden is a white man.

@JazzCrafter

I'm not arguing with you.

Trump set his appeal directly at stupid racist white shitheels and it worked for him. And it freed those stupid white racist shitheels to be their true selves, in public.

I don't think that correlates to the low turn out numbers but maybe it does.

@tgraph52
Let me explain.. In the apartheid south in the 60's, KKK intimidation and hangings, court rulings, and general harrassment of new non-white voters was aimed at lowering voter participation. this has carried over to today, where the thrust was to discredit the non white non male candidate as actually WORSE for white people that a convicted CRIMINAL.. Now I ask, would that be even possible if not framed in racist/sexist terms... It is a historical deep seated problem.

@tgraph52 Also, observe how this factor.. not the only one, but a significant one.. is hardly mentioned anywhere.. that is also a clue.. it is our dirty little secret.

@JazzCrafter

thank you so much for your unwarranted condescension... as if I haven't been both voting and politically aware for more than a few decades...

bye now

Note that millions did not vote for *rump, but would not vote for Harris, either.. that is a tell.