@wyrmeboi As a second point of debate, what gives you the right to discard the votes in the state primary elections?
@sirgeefive We all have watched older relatives or friends in decline. The successful agers do great late in life... until they don't. Thereafter the path of decline is very steep. That is my experience. The primary votes were cast before the worst of his decline became apparent. Also, 2/3rds of voters now say he should be step back. That also is a mandate.
@sirgeefive And I am not saying he should be set aside. The electoral votes are his. But saying we should not encourage him to step aside, and voluntarily give up control of the electors, or even have a debate about it, is insane. We lose with Joe. Period. I think we win with a younger candidate. The kids will come back.
@sirgeefive Nancy Pelosi thinks this, Hakeem Jeffries thinks this, and Chuck Schumer thinks this, and so do many others. AOC does not.
@wyrmeboi Are you getting your opinion from the people you listed here, or are you forming your own? I am confused. It might be all the triangulation.
@sirgeefive I form my belief based on multiple sources. As anyone should. I take all available data points (that I deem trustworthy) and compare them to my cognitive model of the world. If they don't fit my model, I revise it.
@wyrmeboi You are replying to my statement saying that if you don't know Biden personally, you are forming your opinion based on the statements of others. I believe you and I are saying the same thing. You are not qualified to diagnose the President. Your diagnosis is therefore not worthy of debate or discussion.
@sirgeefive I am not giving a diagnosis. Enough with that straw man. I am giving a political assessment. If Joe stays at the top of the ticket we have less chance to win than if he steps down. The rest was simply showing my work. I canvass, I organize, and I run a political office. I talk to actual voters that are not in my bubble of relationships.
@sirgeefive I mentioned Trump in the second post. I used the word "aberration", rather than his name, because saying his name makes me angry.
The straw man is that you have twice questioned my right to provide a diagnosis. Strictly, "cognitive decline" isn't a disease, and thus can't be diagnosed, so you aren't even using the word "diagnosis" properly. But to be clear, I am not trying to provide a diagnosis, but rather, a political assessment.
@wyrmeboi How is pronouncing cognitive decline a political assessment?
What is your solution?
You have Trump who is clearly far worse than Biden who is running with a united party. On the other hand, you have Biden, who is clearly much clearer than Trump who is running with a divided party due to intentional media manipulation by Peter Thiel and other billionaires. You have donors admitting that they are pushing the "dump Biden" movement, and you have detractors who are helping.
@sirgeefive Sigh. It's not a matter of whether he can govern. It's a matter of whether he can communicate clearly enough to win. I don't believe he can. I would love another 4 years of quiet, competent governance. But I believe that if Joe stays, Trump wins, and (based on a poll I haven't even seen, but infer the results of) we lose both the House and the Senate in the process due to low turnout. #politics
@wyrmeboi What is your solution? I know I keep repeating this question, but it is an important question. Without a solution, a person would simply be promoting chaos, which I imagine would indeed cause lower voter turnout. This is why I spend the time to argue with people that I assess as willing agents of chaos. No solution is a clear sign of people attempting to dissuade.
@sirgeefive There us a process if a candidate steps down. The dem have a convention. It would be a contested convention, and for 3-4 days candidates would vie to win the 3900 pledged delegates that Joe had. I suspect that Kamala Harris would win. Then she gets to pick her VP. I read an article that made the case for Senator Mark Kelly.
@wyrmeboi That doesn't get people past the state filing deadlines.
How do you stop all of the people that you just disenfranchised by discarding their primary votes from leaving the election entirely? Your concern is low turnout, so by disenfranchising the people who voted in the primaries, you are telling them that their votes don't matter.
I disagree that Biden is a loser. I think the losers here are the people falling for a Thiel campaign.
@wyrmeboi There is no straw man here, I have addressed every one of your arguments. I am not attacking you, I am attacking your arguments.
Who are you proposing take his place with around 100 days left until the election? What is your solution?
Again, why no Trump in your discussion?