@tgraph52 @Romquest if we start thinking of AI as a medium rather than as a creator, we might be able to do interesting things. art? perhaps. that remains to be seen.

@holon42 @tgraph52 Yep, just like photography caused despair and ridicule in the painting community. Perhaps the saddest part is loss of past craft rather than having to accept a redefinition of future art. No one makes Roman concrete anymore, hence collapsing bridges. So by analogy we will just have to drive off this bridge too.

@Romquest @holon42

I don't see 'despair and ridicule" anywhere concerning AI attempts to create art... I also don't see any art. Just me.

@Romquest yes, a sad fact about changes in technology and civilization. much gets lost. i doubt many painters still make their own pigments from scratch.
but...i recently saw an article claiming that they discovered the secret of roman concrete: https://news.mit.edu/2023/roman-concrete-durability-lime-casts-0106

so sometimes secrets are rediscovered.

@holon42 Yep Well they have been saying the knew the secret to roman concrete for years, (pumice from vesuvius, etc) and now new theories, but reality is we have not bothered to try and integrate those learnings, but relegated them to the past anyway. As KS Robinson built upon in Ministry For The Future, we build our civilization selfishly, and ignore the option to create a better world for our grandchildren. Life is change and so is the popular definition of art, it would seem.

@Romquest yes indeed, if all the "breakthroughs" for progress i've seen touted through the years actually made a difference, it would be a radically different world today.