#tfg #gop #Biden #hunterbiden #gregabbott
The hypocrisy of republicans, where was the outrage when Abbott pardoned a guy who killed a peaceful protester in Texas including restoration of firearm rights ?
“ More than a year after a Travis County jury convicted Daniel Perry of murdering a protester in Austin, Gov. Greg Abbott pardoned Perry, 37, on Thursday shortly after the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles recommended a full pardon.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/05/16/daniel-perry-greg-abbott-pardon/
@Jorro I'm not a fan of Joe Biden, and I don't think he should have repeatedly promised not to do something, then did it anyway.
But seriously, with the pile of pardons Republicans have made of people who broke far worse laws, I feel like they should shut the hell up.
But I already thought they should shut the hell up.
@AskTheDevil all the politicians lie , but not as much as Trump , republicans are in a meltdown and I love it , at the end they can go and f@&$8 themselves, like you said , they have pardoned far worse criminals, what we should do is mock them.
@Jorro I agree! I'm with you!
@AskTheDevil @Jorro His political career is over, and I doubt he cares much about the optics anymore.
He can save his son, and enable him to better weather the storms ahead if he should end up targeted by the incoming administration.
He's probably guilty but the president has the power to pardon whomever he wishes so if that's the system, that's the system.
I think one might want to buckle up compared to whats probably coming.
@NiveusLepus @Jorro
I'm trying really hard to resist going on about this topic, but I don't seem to have any "won't power".
My problem is not that he pardoned Hunter. It's that he _repeatedly_ said he was not going to. It seems to me that his plan was to claim he wasn't going to pardon his own kid (over something he should have) for political points, then when it turned out Trump won, suddenly he cared about justice.
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@AskTheDevil @Jorro That's possible, and I wouldn't put it past a career politician to do that kind of math, but I wonder if in this case it was a growing concern of what the incoming administration might do if they had that level of access to his son.
Just playing Devil's advocate... Ironically.
@NiveusLepus @AskTheDevil @Jorro I believe he realized he has to protect his son differently as we will all have to do.
@Pippy @NiveusLepus @Jorro
I wish he'd just done it at the beginning, called bullshit on the Republican behavior, and not said he _wouldn't_.
It's not him pardoning his kid I'm upset about. That I get.
It's that he promised not to - then did it.
And that he _isn't_ pardoning other people who should get one. Just his own.
If he does a bunch of pardons of people unjustly accused or sentenced that aren't his kid, my heart might soften a bit.
@AskTheDevil @Pippy @Jorro I can understand that. It's easy to become exhausted with the tactics to it all. We all see it, they aren't being slick, but they go through the same rigamarole over and over for the veneer of decency.
Guys, we all know... You can drop the pretext.
@NiveusLepus @AskTheDevil @Pippy I just posted the reason why President Biden pardoned his son , Kash Pathel threatened to go after Hunter, if he makes it to director of the FBI then Hunter would be in danger , I didn’t know that but I just read the Substack , now I understand why President Biden did it and I completely agree with his decision, it is his son .
Should presidents do favors for family members with their political power?
Especially when they do not use their same powers to help people they aren't related to?
Should presidents say things they know they don't mean, with the idea that it's okay to just walk it back later?
Should a president make big promises without considering them fully, then change their mind when it gets scary?
I think Hunter should be pardoned. But that doesn't make the rest of it okay.
@AskTheDevil but he hasn’t just pardoned his son. He has granted 26 pardons during his presidency and granted many more clemency’s. @Jorro @NiveusLepus
Biden: 26
Trump: 238
Obama: 1927
Bush: 77
Clinton: 459
Bush Sr.: 200
Reagan: 406
Carter: 566
Ford: 409
Nixon: 926
Johnson: 1187
Kennedy: 575
Yeah. Joe's a real freedom crusader.
Remember when he helped make mandatory sentencing laws and mass incarceration? I do.
@AskTheDevil @Pippy @NiveusLepus excellent statistics!! Thanks !!
@Jorro @Pippy @NiveusLepus Those aren't counting blanket pardons.
Biden _did_ sign a blanket pardon for non-criminal marijuana possession offenders.
A whole 11 of them.
He's notoriously anti-pardon. He's said so.
@AskTheDevil @Jorro @NiveusLepus here’s the list. https://www.fox9.com/news/president-joe-bidens-pardons-list
There were also 8 previous presidents that never offered Peltier a pardon.
I guess I’m wanting to know why Biden saying one thing on one issue is more egregious than others in this same position.
Is there reasoning I’m missing?
@AskTheDevil @Jorro @NiveusLepus I’m not, I’m responding in kind to your previous comments in the thread.
Do you feel equally about the previous presidents not pardoning him? I think all of them were pressured to.
Sorry, I think I keep losing the thread on conversations lately. I think I'm getting more addled. I apologize.
Yes, I am upset with them also.
But they didn't make a big deal about not pardoning people, then specifically promise not to pardon their own family, and _then_ did it anyway.
The rest didn't promise not to pardon his kid and then do it, and the rest also pardoned plenty of others.
He'll protect his own, when it's personal, but not others.
You do understand that my gripe is that he made a big deal about not pardoning people, then made a promise not to pardon his kid, then broke that promise but isn't breaking it to help anyone else.
Not even people who have been in prison, wrongfully accused or over-sentenced, for decades.
It's the hypocrisy, double-standards, privileged behavior, lying and promise-breaking I'm upset with.
@AskTheDevil no apology necessary but if it’s promises not kept and doing things for his kid and no one else, it sounds like you are describing Trump over and over and over and not Biden. I believe he is doing as much as possible to protect us. I’m not saying he’s an American hero just fallible. @Jorro @NiveusLepus
@Pippy @Jorro @NiveusLepus
Why are you comparing? Wrong is wrong? Someone else doing it more or less doesn't make it right.