#tfg #gop #Biden #hunterbiden #gregabbott
The hypocrisy of republicans, where was the outrage when Abbott pardoned a guy who killed a peaceful protester in Texas including restoration of firearm rights ?
“ More than a year after a Travis County jury convicted Daniel Perry of murdering a protester in Austin, Gov. Greg Abbott pardoned Perry, 37, on Thursday shortly after the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles recommended a full pardon.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/05/16/daniel-perry-greg-abbott-pardon/
@Jorro I'm not a fan of Joe Biden, and I don't think he should have repeatedly promised not to do something, then did it anyway.
But seriously, with the pile of pardons Republicans have made of people who broke far worse laws, I feel like they should shut the hell up.
But I already thought they should shut the hell up.
@AskTheDevil all the politicians lie , but not as much as Trump , republicans are in a meltdown and I love it , at the end they can go and f@&$8 themselves, like you said , they have pardoned far worse criminals, what we should do is mock them.
@Jorro I agree! I'm with you!
@AskTheDevil @Jorro His political career is over, and I doubt he cares much about the optics anymore.
He can save his son, and enable him to better weather the storms ahead if he should end up targeted by the incoming administration.
He's probably guilty but the president has the power to pardon whomever he wishes so if that's the system, that's the system.
I think one might want to buckle up compared to whats probably coming.
@AskTheDevil @Jorro That's possible, and I wouldn't put it past a career politician to do that kind of math, but I wonder if in this case it was a growing concern of what the incoming administration might do if they had that level of access to his son.
Just playing Devil's advocate... Ironically.
@NiveusLepus @AskTheDevil @Jorro I believe he realized he has to protect his son differently as we will all have to do.
@Pippy @NiveusLepus @Jorro
I wish he'd just done it at the beginning, called bullshit on the Republican behavior, and not said he _wouldn't_.
It's not him pardoning his kid I'm upset about. That I get.
It's that he promised not to - then did it.
And that he _isn't_ pardoning other people who should get one. Just his own.
If he does a bunch of pardons of people unjustly accused or sentenced that aren't his kid, my heart might soften a bit.
@AskTheDevil @Pippy @Jorro I can understand that. It's easy to become exhausted with the tactics to it all. We all see it, they aren't being slick, but they go through the same rigamarole over and over for the veneer of decency.
Guys, we all know... You can drop the pretext.
@NiveusLepus @AskTheDevil @Pippy I just posted the reason why President Biden pardoned his son , Kash Pathel threatened to go after Hunter, if he makes it to director of the FBI then Hunter would be in danger , I didn’t know that but I just read the Substack , now I understand why President Biden did it and I completely agree with his decision, it is his son .
Should presidents do favors for family members with their political power?
Especially when they do not use their same powers to help people they aren't related to?
Should presidents say things they know they don't mean, with the idea that it's okay to just walk it back later?
Should a president make big promises without considering them fully, then change their mind when it gets scary?
I think Hunter should be pardoned. But that doesn't make the rest of it okay.
@AskTheDevil but he hasn’t just pardoned his son. He has granted 26 pardons during his presidency and granted many more clemency’s. @Jorro @NiveusLepus
Biden: 26
Trump: 238
Obama: 1927
Bush: 77
Clinton: 459
Bush Sr.: 200
Reagan: 406
Carter: 566
Ford: 409
Nixon: 926
Johnson: 1187
Kennedy: 575
Yeah. Joe's a real freedom crusader.
Remember when he helped make mandatory sentencing laws and mass incarceration? I do.
@AskTheDevil @Pippy @NiveusLepus excellent statistics!! Thanks !!
@Jorro @Pippy @NiveusLepus Those aren't counting blanket pardons.
Biden _did_ sign a blanket pardon for non-criminal marijuana possession offenders.
A whole 11 of them.
He's notoriously anti-pardon. He's said so.
@AskTheDevil @Jorro @NiveusLepus here’s the list. https://www.fox9.com/news/president-joe-bidens-pardons-list
There were also 8 previous presidents that never offered Peltier a pardon.
I guess I’m wanting to know why Biden saying one thing on one issue is more egregious than others in this same position.
Is there reasoning I’m missing?
Why are you comparing? Wrong is wrong? Someone else doing it more or less doesn't make it right.
@AskTheDevil @Jorro @NiveusLepus I’m not, I’m responding in kind to your previous comments in the thread.
Do you feel equally about the previous presidents not pardoning him? I think all of them were pressured to.
Sorry, I think I keep losing the thread on conversations lately. I think I'm getting more addled. I apologize.
Yes, I am upset with them also.
But they didn't make a big deal about not pardoning people, then specifically promise not to pardon their own family, and _then_ did it anyway.
The rest didn't promise not to pardon his kid and then do it, and the rest also pardoned plenty of others.
He'll protect his own, when it's personal, but not others.
You do understand that my gripe is that he made a big deal about not pardoning people, then made a promise not to pardon his kid, then broke that promise but isn't breaking it to help anyone else.
Not even people who have been in prison, wrongfully accused or over-sentenced, for decades.
It's the hypocrisy, double-standards, privileged behavior, lying and promise-breaking I'm upset with.
@AskTheDevil no apology necessary but if it’s promises not kept and doing things for his kid and no one else, it sounds like you are describing Trump over and over and over and not Biden. I believe he is doing as much as possible to protect us. I’m not saying he’s an American hero just fallible. @Jorro @NiveusLepus
@AskTheDevil @Jorro @NiveusLepus he is a human first, President last and everything in between.
@Pippy @AskTheDevil @Jorro Humans are very complicated creatures.
@NiveusLepus @AskTheDevil @Jorro exactly so, a make up of so many things that can change minute to minute. Survival
@NiveusLepus @AskTheDevil @Jorro unfortunately you can even say what this administration is doing now is how they survive. Albeit with gluttony
@NiveusLepus @Pippy @AskTheDevil yes we are !!
@Jorro @NiveusLepus @AskTheDevil @Pippy
The incoming government has been dying for 'retribution'. And as promised, people are going to suffer needlessly.
These people are monsters with little value in others.
@AskTheDevil @NiveusLepus @Jorro I can agree with that!
@Pippy @AskTheDevil @NiveusLepus here is the link for the Substack .
https://open.substack.com/pub/meidastouch/p/the-big-reason-why-hunters-pardon
@Jorro @Pippy @NiveusLepus Thanks! I'll give it a read when I get back from the doctors sucking out some of my ichor.
@NiveusLepus @Jorro Also, there's a lot of other people who could use a pardon, that he's ignoring, too.
Like Leonard Peltier, for instance.
He didn't do this for justice. He made promises he figured he wouldn't have to keep (which he's done many times), and protected his own, not the country.
When we can't trust people to do what they say, how can we work with and believe in them?
And if that's how the presidency works, how are people expected to believe in anything?
@AskTheDevil I never have believed anything anyone says and I am definitely not going to change that now. @NiveusLepus @Jorro
@AskTheDevil @NiveusLepus @Jorro
I am usually bothered when a politician makes a clear public promise to voters, then breaks it. I was unhappy when Joe broke his promise to not run for a second term.
@HopeSeeker @NiveusLepus @Jorro
Me too.
I was also unhappy with his promise to forgive all student debt, then claiming he didn't promise that, then doing it half-assed.
I was unhappy with his promise to be the best union president, then turning on the railroad workers, who just wanted a couple sick days.
He promised lots of things, then walked back or wanted credit for doing half-assed delivery.
And now we have TFG to worry about.
@AskTheDevil @NiveusLepus @Jorro
I love Joe, but you definitely make some good points. It is a sad state of affairs.
@HopeSeeker @NiveusLepus @Jorro
It's possible to love someone and not be okay with it when they do something they shouldn't.
But at this point, I doubt he's likely to do much more damage. We'll have someone who _wants_ to do damage to worry about.
Dammit.
@HopeSeeker @AskTheDevil @NiveusLepus yes, that was a mistake .
@Jorro @HopeSeeker @NiveusLepus I think the campaign was pretty much already screwed by that point.
I feel, again, like it was the right choice at the time - it was worth a shot. But all the other choices up to it, including yet another time he went back on his word, that's a problem.
@AskTheDevil @HopeSeeker @NiveusLepus yes, I think so .
@HopeSeeker @AskTheDevil @NiveusLepus @Jorro
Likewise. I heard him say it personally.
@LnzyHou @AskTheDevil @NiveusLepus @Jorro
Well I’ve made plenty of mistakes, so maybe I shouldn’t throw stones…
@HopeSeeker @LnzyHou @NiveusLepus @Jorro
I dunno, did you make any mistakes while throwing rocks?
Ah? Ahhhh?
@LnzyHou @HopeSeeker @NiveusLepus @Jorro
Some say expectation is the root of suffering.
I think really that's my beef. I have higher expectations of what we need in government, and all we've got is these frail, self-absorbed, fickle people.
We need people of real character and wisdom, not people who read polls to see what "optics" they want today.
@AskTheDevil @Jorro @NiveusLepus
why believe in a presidency that has not served the people since AT LEAST Ike?
are you THAT slow to learn?
@MongrelHorror @AskTheDevil @Jorro Hey let's pull back to the 38. We're all friends here.
@MongrelHorror @Jorro @NiveusLepus
People have a powerful bias to believe things that confirm what they already want to believe, and reject anything that is against the belief.
Politicians know people want to believe certain things, so they say what we want to hear, and we tend to ignore warning signs from our "side".
Also: Attention spans seem to be shorter, and people tend to put positive spins on the past.
It's not that people are slow, it's that they are manipulated using known bias.
@AskTheDevil @NiveusLepus @Jorro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oX2xFo7JA4
its about human ego-cancer.
@MongrelHorror @AskTheDevil @NiveusLepus yes it is !! Interesting video !!! Thanks!!
@MongrelHorror @NiveusLepus @AskTheDevil I love it !!
@MongrelHorror @Jorro @AskTheDevil That is powerful...
@MongrelHorror @AskTheDevil @NiveusLepus 😆😆😆😆😆 good one !!
@Jorro @NiveusLepus @AskTheDevil
kind of sad when the last REALLY proamerican president was Darth Cheney even if he was a bit of a dick
@MongrelHorror @NiveusLepus @AskTheDevil yes, he was a dick , I never liked him but you are right
@NiveusLepus @Jorro
I'm trying really hard to resist going on about this topic, but I don't seem to have any "won't power".
My problem is not that he pardoned Hunter. It's that he _repeatedly_ said he was not going to. It seems to me that his plan was to claim he wasn't going to pardon his own kid (over something he should have) for political points, then when it turned out Trump won, suddenly he cared about justice.
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