@CLManussier Sanders is also more liberal. It's possible that makes him seem like an exception among younger voters. I also think the "Biden is too old" propaganda depends on people not checking ages and making those connections. Biden was Obama's VP. To younger voters, who possible didn't know about Sanders then, that can feel like "I was in middle school, so he must be really old".
@CLManussier ๐คฃ i second that โ๏ธ
@CLManussier most people are not "concerned about his age". that's a media talking point. Biden's biggest problems are he's boring (news can't make money rage farming off him) & Democrats really REALLY suck at getting any kind of messaging out on the accomplishments that actually real world help the people
@CLManussier Great point.
@CLManussier Bernie got people fired up several years ago when he was several younger than he is now.
Younger voters got fired up because he goes out and actually meets them and speaks to them, and also because, despite being an ancient white dude, he says things they prefer hearing.
I feel like you held up a bit of a straw man here. When you have to use a logical fallacy to make fun of a group you're generalizing, it might mean you don't understand the people you're actually talking about.
@CLManussier What I'm saying is, if you think you see a paradox, while it _might_ be someone holding a double standard, it _also_ might be that you are the one who is missing crucial information about why someone else is doing something that doesn't make sense to you.
Humans are illogical sometimes, and that's okay. It might be the other folks being illogical!
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@CLManussier But you seemed willing to direct derision toward some mythical "young voters" thing, based on out of date information, and overlooking that when the man was popular, he was also almost a decade younger, too.
If you're just worried some Bernie Bros will pop up and take votes from Biden and give the election to Trump, just warn them not to. I'll help. I promise.
I didn't ask to make fun of anyone. I'm genuinely considering whether it's just people tend to be contradictory (everyone is susceptible to this) or maybe that the "age concern" is really a proxy for something else or other things I'm not considering or some combination of things.
Of course, you point out the most obvious factor, which is that the greatest ๐ฅ for Sanders WAS a long time ago, now. He was relatively still a lot older than many supporters, but...yeah,8 years ago.
I do wonder how much of the "age" issue is a press-amped thing more than a man on the street thing. But, I don't assume I know the answer ~ I really am WONDERING, and only hindsight will clarify that even somewhat.
@CLManussier I think they're playing to a concern that exists, but amplifying it for reasons that are self-interested.
As an old person, who has lived many lives, when I see geriatrics in power, I see less "wisdom that comes with age" and more "doing things the way it didn't work two generations ago" and prolonging problems.
But we have 2 old guys to choose from. I'm picking the one who isn't trying to kill us.
@CLManussier Sorry that I am a little cranky. That is on me, not you. But I think the crux is that while age may be a general concern as in "maybe we shouldn't have really old people in all the halls of power" people are attracted more to whether the person actually says what they want to hear, or might even give them what they believe is right and good, for the right reasons.
@CLManussier If age were a major factor, Bernie would _not_ have been so popular. But then it was other Democrats that mainly picked on _his_ age, only to support _their_ old person soon after.
I supported Bernie in primaries, and when it got close, I absorbed heaps of vile abuse from other lefties, and I know that didn't originate with Republicans. It came from on high among Dems.
I got called a "Bernie Bro" on good days, and a Nazi who wanted Trump to win and Sharia law on bad ones.
@CLManussier
It's horsecrap.
The pollsters telling you this were telling you there was going to be a "red tsunami" in 2022, and everyone freaked out about that.
How'd that work out?