👏 yay i love scary!! I’m eating but the moment I’m done I’m turning off the lights! @NorCalCherylLyn
@Armchaircouch sometimes I like to be scared. Depends on how realistic it is…Hannibal Lector is pretty damn realistic. 🫣🫣🫣
The next two in the series FREAKED me out!! Buffalo Bob…omd! And poor Ray Liota. 🥴🤢
Same, although the movie insidious scared the heck out of my daughter, and I about 12 years ago.
I did not know there were others in a series. I just knew about the one with Jodie Foster! @NorCalCherylLyn
@Armchaircouch Anthony Hopkins has scared me a bit ever since that movie! 🥺🫣😵💫
Not sweet Anthony! I bet on real life he’d not hurt a fly! …lol you know they are a good actor when you can’t watch them anymore I guess! :) @NorCalCherylLyn
@Armchaircouch Robert DeNiro has terrified me ever since I saw his Cape Fear remake! 😱😱😱
Best casting of Frances Dolarhyde, but the better Will Graham was William Petersen. The book is way more chilling than either movie.
oh reallyyyy I may need to pick it up then! Why is it movies can never nail how great the books are?! @Mfieck
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Ironically, The Silence of the Lambs was very, very close to the book. However, Buffalo Bill was the bigger villian, the movie gave HL that distinction. Thomas Harris writes some disturbing characters.
Is Buffalo Bill unrelated to Hannibal Lecter?
… I can’t remember what the other movie is, Buffalo Bill has been mentioned in other movies.
The one issue I have with myself watching is I don’t get the underlying like… Meaning of the story lines. I’m sure there’s symbolism in this red dragon aspect but I can’t see it, there may even be something underlying in the relationship of the investigator and Dr. Lecter but I don’t get that either. My daughter is good at reading into stories. @Mfieck
@Armchaircouch @Mfieck you know, I always confuse Hannibal with Red Dragon (filmwise), fwiw. Haven’t read books, myself, but in answer to your question, Buffalo Bill is the main villain, if you will, in Silence of the Lambs rather than Lecter. Agree with Melissa about how the characters are presented. And yes, I believe he has a bit of a thing for brave Clarice Starling.
Ooooh that’s right, thank you! It has been over 10 years since I’ve seen silence of the lambs, now I remember. 😂 @chaddus2_0 @Mfieck
I also realized about five minutes ago, that I have seen red dragon. the blind woman, I remember her. But I don’t remember anything at all that happens so I’m still going to watch it clueless lol @chaddus2_0 @Mfieck
@Armchaircouch @Mfieck may have to revisit, as well.
@Armchaircouch Lecter was Buffalo Bill (Jame Gumb)'s psychiatrist for a time, though BB had already killed and done things with skin before being introduced to Lecter 👍
Ah ha! Thank you for the context. Is Buffalo Bill one of the movies? Is that what I think I read earlier? lol @BillyBones @Mfieck
@Armchaircouch Not as far as I'm aware, though I could be wrong. I read the books as they were published and saw the films at the time, but haven't seen or read them in a long time now.
As @Mfieck said, BB was the main antagonist in The Silence of the Lambs book, with Lecter taking a similar kind of role as in Manhunter (the original movie version of Red Dragon). As a slight aside, I thought Brian Cox was a wonderful Lecter, even if AH made the role his own 👍
I had no idea there was any original of anything, interesting! I’m going to check out the books later this week, right now I’m still working through the hobbit, and then the Lord of the rings so I’ve got a lil bit in front of it 😂 @BillyBones @Mfieck
@Armchaircouch Oh you've got a lot on your plate then!
And another little aside - I ended up studying a little Criminal Psychology for a time, in a big part thanks to these books, which led me to John Douglas and Robert Ressler. They were the FBI's Profilers who greatly influenced this series of books.
And Buffalo Bill himself was a combination of three real serial killers, Ed Gein, Ted Bundy and Gary Heidnik (though that's a whole other lot of very disturbing reading 😢) @Mfieck
oh cool! have you watched the show on Netflix, mindhunter? I’m on my third time through lol
That’s cool I can’t wait to check out the books now! Slightly different, but related, I wanted to be a forensic scientist, I initially started classes for that, but where I live you have to be a police officer before you become a detective and there’s no way I could do that. @BillyBones
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@Armchaircouch I haven't watched it yet, though it's on the to-do list. John Douglas' 1995 book, Mindhunter is a fantastic (non-fiction) read if you're interested in this kind of thing though
That's a shame about the chain leading to Forensic Scientist too. My youngest brother is now a (very) senior Detective, and he started this 'adventure' with me back in the day before he even joined the Police and worked his way up. But again, the Douglas & Ressler books partly inspired him too.
oh, thank you I will check that one out as well! I am interested in it. I did not know it was also covered in a book!
Yeah a bit of a bummer but I understand why. I assume then, your brother likes doing that stuff? do you think it ever weighs on him? If I did not have to be a police officer, first, that would have been the other reason I would have second-guessed my decision, the trauma of having to see things. @BillyBones
Thomas Harris is a gifted writer, hypnotic and then spikes the punch with some jaw-dropping holy wow moments.
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Brian Cox was great.
I think Thomas Harris used to cover international violence for the United Press. I have to believe his characters are not just inventions of his own mind 🤞.
I was trying to find out what he was actually eating in the scene where he ate the art, and stumbled across the Reddit thread instead where they said they much preferred Brian Cox. Learned so much tonight! Thank you! @Mfieck @BillyBones
It all started as a bad joke in Kansas City Homicide.
@Armchaircouch scary!