Well, so it's kind of a foregone conclusion that we're going to lose Net Neutrality. Maybe it'll get held up in court, or maybe it'll end up being punted down into a state's rights issue (which would suck for most of America but probably not me on the West Coast), so I guess the question now is - if the worst comes to pass and the ISPs really rape and pillage this, what can we do?
IPSs could potentially throttle known VPNs. So..? Thoughts?
@wildnfree @malice if it comes down to it, start pressuring locally. I wish it wouldn't come to that, but if it's the only option we have what else can you do?
@suullus @wildnfree Wouldn't help me, I live in Seattle. We're way to the left and our politicians are wildly against all this bs already. In swing and red states, absolutely.
@wildnfree @suullus Sort of. In SF I used Sonic.net, they're an indie provider and they're great. But where I am now I don't have any options other than Comcast. =/
@wildnfree @malice the thing is, video content isn't really that rough to handle. It's mostly compressed, and encoders are getting better at keeping data usage very low
@wildnfree @malice I think Amazon video is the worst in terms of usage while streaming. My kids watched something on there and I ended up having to upgrade to raise our data cap because we were paying like $200 over our normal monthly charge due to going over. Now I don't go over, and only pay $100 a month. The extra speed is nice too.
@wildnfree I guess you could run a VPN through a virtual machine or something so the IP wouldn't be recognized as a VPN not something the average person can set up.
I'll be keeping at eye on EFF.org to see what their advice is.
It may be difficult, but if my ISP starts doing any of that crap, I'm canceling my service.
yeah, going without broadband seems impossible, but if enough of us do it, we can affect change.
@Jim That wouldn't work, guaranteed. You'd effectively be cutting off communications to most of the world. Most of us NEED that connection, for work, school, etc. That's not feasible.
Hard, not impossible.
@Jim Impossible. I work from home half the time and I take distance courses at school. So do a lot of people.
I see a few options and glimmers of hope:
- Community or city/state run ISPs.
Something like this:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/motherboard.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/kz3xyz/detroit-mesh-network
- Local libraries with wide coverage free or inexpensive wifi signals
- A parallel unthrottled internet.
- A private venture ISP that makes its highest goal a promise to its cuatomers it will NEVER throttle would instantly be huge.
@malice My guess, and I'm no lawyer is that some consumer advocacy group may challenge action in court, arguing that internet is truly a Title II communication service and Pai interpretation and proposed rule is a violation of the Communications Act of 1934 and Section 706 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. The other is to get all democrats and a few GOP legislator to draft a new act codifying Net Neutrality.
@USAPatriot @RAO It's definitely not. I live in Seattle, and Washington was the first state to announce a big "fuck you" against the repeal. They have every intention of enforcing those rules regardless of what the federal government says, and they're down for a fight. Last I looked, some 20 states had sued over it.
@malice It's sad because those of us who live in DC, NY, CA, WA, MA, etc (i.e. The "coastal elites") aren't going to be that heavily affected by this. It's going to be all the Trump voters in red states who are going to feel it the most. Then, like always, they will blame those of us who live on the coasts for the problems they voted for themselves. They never learn. Instead, they blame and they troll thinking that that will make our lives harder when it doesn't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Enzoloren Yeah just wait until ISPs start censoring all their hate groups LOL
@malice lol. That's a side I had never thought. Mind you, they'll still blame us somehow. They want to be victims. Most pathetic part is that they are the victims of their own poor political choices. Still, what can we do about it except to remind them that there is a reason that there is such a massive demographic transition to the coasts. We pay higher taxes, but we get shit done. Simple really. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@malice Agreed and that where we were talking about it all earlier last week.. What now and what can we really do