@countZZero dunno' it was an interesting take. By 1972 lone gunmen had become passe'. If if undermining relationships with the USSR and China were the goal was it really achieved? McCord was supposedly expert in electronic surveillance. I forgot, who was the genius who taped then re-taped the door security found twice and reported?
@CanisPundit @countZZero lol. McCord.
But I doubt Angleton was behind it. The fallout seriously damaged the CIA
@Coctaanatis I hear ya’, it was a novel idea Nixon being undermined from the Right. Too bad the Church Committee didn’t or shall we say couldn’t go farther. As the hearings were running the mafia was distributing dope for the agency’s black ops rainy day fund. @countZZero
@CanisPundit @countZZero If one believes Seymour Hersh*, the CIA, of 1960, really didn't like Nixon.
*Not necessarily a reliable source.
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What IS in those little Pink Houses?
@Madken65 people overdosing from speedballs; a mix of cocaine & heroin that killed John Bellushi. @Coctaanatis @countZZero
@CanisPundit @countZZero According to Hersch, in 1960 it was because they thought Nixon had taken bribes while in Congress.
But the allegation that Angleton was somehow involved in sabotaging the Watergate burglary is different. Angleton was a paranoid alcoholic at the end of his career, and in charge of counterintelligence. I'd have to see more than supposedly favorable treatment of McCord.
@Coctaanatis @countZZero of course it comes down to what did Hersch mean by “the CIA”? It’s a bit like saying “hackers”, but that could mean white hats, black hats, grey hats, or ass hats.
@CanisPundit @countZZero He was referring to the agency heads, and it related to briefing the candidates during the campaign. It wasn't middle management or the guys who tell you they're "with the Company."
@CanisPundit @countZZero Again, this is Hersch. Some of his information pans out, like JFK's seduction of his intern Mimi Alford. Some remains unproven. And some is almost certainly wrong -- JFK assassination conspiracy.
@Coctaanatis @countZZero there’s forensic evidence of more than three bullets, hence conspiracy. Beyond that is either informed, under-informed, mixed-informed, misinformed, or misinforming speculation.
An aside, some YouTubeers, and professional conspiracy theorists use the Kennedy assassination as a “legit” entry drug for Right wing disinformation. It’s much like Trump’s tell a fact in the same sentence as one or more lies and do it frequently leaving a flood of disinformation behind.
@CanisPundit @countZZero I'm a student of John McAdams when it comes to the conspiracy theories.
Oswald didn’t kill anyone, not Jack Kennedy, not JD Tippit –not anyone. President Kennedy was gunned down in broad daylight on an American street by a loosely organized group comprised of disaffected CIA operatives, mafia kingpins, and angry Cuban nationals who felt betrayed by the Kennedy brothers after the Bay of Pigs.
The puppet masters in this bizarre little story were the Dulles brothers. Neither pulled the trigger, nor did they buy the bullets. But they created an atmosphere of “we’re right, and everybody else is wrong” in the Agency that was used to justify everything from the hostile takeover of foreign companies to the assassination of democratically elected third world leaders. This atmosphere, tempered by time and the House of Representatives, still holds sway today.
Allen and John Foster Dulles did more to shape the geopolitical landscape of the 20th century than any other person, agency, or group. Even after Kennedy shoved Dulles out the back door of the White House, Dulles’ policies and vision held sway at CIA, the State Department, and in the country as a whole. Sixty years after his ouster, they still can’t quite scrub the stink of self-serving entitlement and neo-fascism from their Brooks Brothers suits.
The problem(s) associated with the Kennedy assassination are (now) largely due to the “professional” conspiracy theorists, those folks whose lives are fueled by that almost sensual high-octane mix of secrecy and shadowy “Deep State” bullshit. Much like the moon-landing deniers and the “angels are among us” assholes, they are driven not by facts or real research, but by the obsession to be the one “in the know”.
They want the story, not the solution.
@countZZero @Coctaanatis I refer to that variety as the “conspiracy industrial complex”; no primary research but content shat out on a regular basis. Their value to the mainstream is context for the bullshit their followers believe. One of Alex Jones’ protégés put out a video essentially saying G.H.W. Bush was a key player in JFK’s death & wait for it … W was responsible for JFK Jr’s! Continued …
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A recurring theme in the conspiracy industrial complex is that the sides have flipped and now it’s the Democrats who are running THE DEEP STATE. Translation: More reasons to be afraid of Democrats and justify dismantling federal law enforcement in favor of MAGA/Trump loyalists.
🎶“I’ve had enough of watching scenes
With schizophrenic, egocentric, paranoiac, prima-donnas
All I want is the truth, now-now
Just give me some truth”🎶
@Coctaanatis @countZZero Nixon of 1960 was tasked by Eisenhower to lead Operation 40; an anti-Cuban covert operations group created to overthrow Castro. They tee-up the Bay of Pigs cluster fuck (cluster-fuck, or clusterfuck). The group came to an end while Nixon was president and one of their “let’s fund black ops by selling drugs in the US” planes carrying heroin and coke crashed in the US. Ah but ain’t that America …🎶