@Possum63 I wish there could be an absolute, but I suspect an oath is a personal thing and having an expiration (so to speak) must be an individual decision. IMHO for those waving the flag about being veterans, they still are beholden to their oaths . How they can support the shenanigans (very understated description) is completely beyond me. And as for myself, first oath in 1984 as I enlisted in the Army and another in 1989 as I got my butter bars. Out in 1999 but still feel I must be faithful