Reminder: this happened yesterday when pagers held by Hizb’Allah members all simultaneously exploded wherever they were…including in the hands of the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon…
…and now we have the walkie talkies going boom
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https://apnews.com/live/lebanon-syria-pagers-hezbollah-updates
Update from @ MannieFabian on Birdshite
“Lebanon's health ministry raises the death toll of the walkie-talkie explosions in Lebanon today to 20.
Another 450 were wounded in the blasts,the health ministry says.
Meanwhile, Hezbollah announces the death of a seventh member today.”
@Usama_Backhair So many people happy that some bad guys got blown up, and acting like the not-bad-guys that got blowed up is worth it somehow.
I just keep thinking of being in the store, and next thing I know, I'm holding someone's artery closed, maybe mine, because some terrorist wanted to kill another terrorist. Or some ruler wanted to fight pawns with another
@AskTheDevil
Nobody who wasn’t a bad guy had a Hizb’Allah pager, all the the videos I saw of the detonations saw only the person in possession of the pagers being hurt, everyone else running and getting away…the walkies are only in the possession of actual on the ground Hizb’Allah soldiers, or operatives, in active combat operations.
There aren’t any good guys with these tampered models and they can know by monitoring the channel they’re using. Same way they sent the signal.
@AskTheDevil
This is as precise a targeting of specifically terrorist fighters only, and terrorist leaders only, as has ever existed. No civilians or good guys are using their channel or in possession of the specific walkies or pagers as they were purchased by Hizb’Allah and intercepted/tampered en route after purchase.
If anyone had those devices, they were 100% a terrorist, as those were exclusively given only to them, secretly, by leadership, and told to keep it a secret.
@Usama_Backhair To me, what happened was someone did the equivalent of tossing a grenade into a crowd, because that's where the bad guy happened to be.
When you toss grenades into a crowd of random people to get a "bad guy" you're a "bad guy" too, in my view.
Aren't we mad at those bad guys for blowing up civilians in public places?
Even if it were _true_ that only Hezbollah had pagers, the people around them didn't need blinding and killing.
@Usama_Backhair We've got people from the US who go involve themselves directly in foreign conflicts, as mercenaries, for ideology, etc.
If one of them and their group burns a village, would it be okay to throw a hand grenade into a crowd of New Yorkers or Denverites, to get them? Or blow up a pocket pager bomb?
@AskTheDevil
If they do that, they are the ones putting themselves and anyone else they involve at risk, that's not on others. They made that choice.
@AskTheDevil
Nobody who wasn't in the terror group got blinded or killed, only Hizb'Allah members had the pagers, only the persons who had them viewed the messages because they were secret and only to be seen by the Hizb'Allah member
@AskTheDevil
I do.
I think that Hizb'Allah members know that most people if they ever saw someone with a pager at all, much less receiving secret messages meant only for active terrorist combatant, even if they were family members, would likely report them to police and as such, they don't share those devices, messages, or even that they have them at all, with anyone. I doubt they even check the messages in public.
As such...the members who were recorded on surveillance cams in public places weren't looking at or engaging with the devices...in the videos I saw the terrorists who were in public places experienced a blast that occurred inside a pocket of their clothing, a front pants pocket usually. the only folks who were blinded were those openly looking at the message or holding the device in their hand.
@Usama_Backhair So you saw the explosives going off in crowds, too.
I am not okay with detonating bombs in public places where they can and do (in this case did) kill and harm bystanders.
I believe that is a terroristic act.
I'm against it. I don't think it is justified.
Dunno what more I can say. This isn't even a trolley problem. This is grenades in crowds of civilians. Kids died.
Multiple sets of bandit kings, not terrorists and governments.
Bombs in crowds. I'm against that.
@Usama_Backhair I feel like I'm in a Monty Python skit, where there's not _that_ much innocent blood shed in the Eggs, Eggs, Explosives in Public, and Eggs.
@Usama_Backhair I think I'd characterize their level of casual security as "permeable" and having lots of attack surface.
I'd also expect attention exhaustion, home ground slackness, and yobs who will trade an extra (insert supply) for cigarette money being around boxes of pagers.
You wouldn't believe the things people have given me in exchange for a cigarette, never mind souls.
Footsoldiers are never perfect.
Also. These ones blew up.
I'd say their opsec's bad. Just a sniff test. ; )
@Usama_Backhair The devices went off in public next to regular people. That's my concern here. I get that _most_ of the beepers (unless stolen, dropped, traded, lost, or many other things) were probably with the targets. With bombs in them. Which were triggered next to whoever happened to be nearby.
So we're clear here: I'm complaining about bombs that were set off in public, harming and killing civilians.
Do you think only bad guys were harmed? Is that our disconnect?