It's almost funny how many Christians accuse atheists of immorality when around every other corner, some sort of scandal comes from the pulpit. Texas in particular seems to take the lead.
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People are people.
Nobody's got any high ground in this. Michael Shermer should stop trying to get women a couple decades younger than him too drunk to say "no".
No shortage of immoral atheists, that's certain. Sam Harris thinks torture and pre-emptive use of nukes are things one could justify.
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Didn't make any claims of high ground, @mcfate, and I agree in regards to the two examples you listed, but there's far more controversy, scandal, and abuse
in the religious realm.
Just look at the number of priests abusing kids.
Calling out someone else's "low ground" is claiming a high ground.
I don't know that any actual data's been collected for atheists, but the claim that religion makes people less moral is nonsense. No doubt that atheists abuse kids, too.
Where are the atheist disaster-relief organizations? Where are the atheist food banks?
Eleven out of a given hundred children were sexually abused, seventy percent of them at the hands of someone they live with.
Singling out priests is cherry-picking and ignores the actual problem.
My post wasn't singling out priests & preachers, @mcfate, it merely pointed out the hypocrisy of Christians labeling atheists as immoral when there's plenty of immorality coming from pulpits.
Just as it's equally hypocritical for atheists to label Christians as immoral when they've got no shortage of moral failings of their own they're not actually addressing.
Hypocrisy is a two-edged sword, be careful how you swing it.
@mcfate
Oh for Fucking Fuck's Sake, you're having issues comprehending my post.
I never labeled all Christians as immoral. I pointed out how many Christians accuse all atheists of being immoral.
Oh, I comprehend it.
You're a hypocrite who refuses to recognize his OWN hypocrisy, which is pretty typical for the Evangelical Atheism crowd.
@mcfate
"evangelical atheist crowd"
LmFaO
Vocal atheists wouldn't need to be vocal if it wasn't for theists shoving their beliefs on others, trying to force others to live by their beliefs.
Who's trying to "force you to live by their beliefs" today?
Look at yourself: it's your IDENTITY. It's your USER ID. It's your HANDLE.
@mcfate
"Who's trying to "force you to live by their beliefs" today?"
Far-right evangelical Christian nationalists.
Politicians that enact or try to enact laws based on their beliefs.
Politicians putting bibles in public schools.
No, no. YOU. TODAY. Something concrete that actually happened in the physical world.
@OTCAtheistATX
Sure, abandon the discussion.