There is actually a really simple solution to almost all of the issues surrounding Israel.
Stop trying to kill Jews and other Israeli citizens simply because they exist.
That's it, that's the solution.
Sounds easy doesn't it? It's not rocket science after all.
*taps sign*
Never Again is not a polite request. It's a statement of intent.
@Render *sighs
Why can’t the Saudis provide a place for Palestinians? Why won’t they? Do you know?
@Museek @Render Ren could explain better than I, but basically when the Palestinians who sold their land to the displaced Holocaust survivors upon the creation of Israel by the British emigrated to other Arab countries, they were housed in resettlement camps, where they and their descendants remain to this day. Never welcomed into those fellow Muslim countries. Political pawns.
Not quite, Notokay. All the Palestinians who fled to Jordan after 1948 are full citizens. (Around 3/4s of the Palestinian population in Jordan.) The big issue came around 1967, with the people who fled then from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Those folks still find themselves stateless today, in part out of later malicious compliance, Jordan ceding the West Bank to the PA. It's messy, but not accurate to say that Palestinians were never welcomed by Arab countries.
Definitely. There are reasons in the 1960s and 1970s that the refugees were kept in temporary status, and reasons given in the 1990s, and reasons again in the 2000s.
But it's not accurate to say that other Arab countries didn't accept Palestinians. The vast majority of Palestinian refugees in Jordan (those stemming from the late 1940s) have full citizenship.
@MLClark At least partially because under the terms of the UN splitting up the Palestinian mandate Jordan was supposed to the Palestinian homeland. (of course they were not called Palestinians until 1964).
And then a Palestinian working for the Grand Mufti assassinated the King of Jordan in Jerusalem in 1951 and tried to take over. In 1970 the PLO tried again, leading to Black September.
"In 1970 the PLO tried again, leading to Black September."
Thus the malicious compliance! Jordan in time threw up its hands and said to the PLO, then later PA, "Fine, if you want it, it's yours, we don't have a duty of care over any of this." And revoked documents in a kind of sarcastic "support" of the PA being in charge of the region now.
A whole mess later on - but the initial folks from Mandatory Palestine are among the Jordanian citizens who signed off on it.
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I would appreciate book recommendations for history on this region. I tried to figure out what books to read a few years ago, but became confused and concerned about authors and sources.
My brother recommended a book to me, but research showed the author was a MAGA. 🙁
@DianeH @MLClark @Render @Notokay I just really appreciate the clear explanations. I also have tried reading and listening but some bits can be confusing for the same reasons. I trust my friends and I have a broad overview but still don’t fully grasp the intricacies as I’m sure a lot of people don’t with our history. What IS clear to me is the actions of terrorists.
I hear you on that. My "breakout" book as a young poli-sci student was THE FATE OF AFRICA by Martin Meredith. GREAT primer on each African nation's distinct journey out of colonial oppression... but at the same time, my mind reeled at all the new names of major political movements & ethnic factions. All our hyperfixation in the West on European history in high school had given me no foundation for all these new terms. It's taken almost two decades to fill in many of those gaps.
@MLClark @DianeH thank you … this exactly. Will look it up