@JailTheTrumps @Embers oh, i wouldn't say doormat.
he's a doormat for men. for women, he's a misogynistic, likely do me, fetishist. wants all the things done to him/for him, by women. but tries really really hard to be accepted & liked by the men.
not submissive to women at all. possibly submissive to men. but most submissives are not doormats. they just wish to serve others. has pence ever served anyone but himself? i think not.
@singlemaltgirl @JailTheTrumps Ahh but he is submissive to his wife..as I recall "Mother" has rules he has to follow one of those being to never be alone in a room with another woman. As for him being submissive to DFG he definitely was..the expression he usually wore whenever gazing at DFG was very close to reverence, and he gazed at him a lot. I realize most submissives are not doormats, those who are tend to be new and eventually realize the word no is still part of their vocabulary. 🙂