@desbearado I don't think it will work on all of them. Many are too deep, they will never come out.

There is no all-round way to get them all to listen. Every single one of them has an individual path of redemption.

But, what I do know, debating them or arguing with them or trying to reason with them will not work. It's wasted breath.

I wish I had better answers, but I know what it was like for me. I know what it is like for my family and their neighbors and friends. 😞