“So the whole sweep of the issues, and I want you to be thinking about these things, is

the challenge of getting from unconscious sacrifice to conscious sacrificial process.

And by so doing, become able to engage in creative sacrificial process,

which really can transform a wasteland, either personal or social, into a land of plenty, a land of plentitude, of roma.

So that's really the subtext underneath all this.”

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"There's a real powerful understanding in archaic peoples that's far superior to ours today,

even psychologically fairly sophisticated people.

That is to say, these archetypal forces,

when they get into their dysfunctional, demonic expressions,

are very powerful, they're very contagious, they're not friendly, and they're very infectious.

And he used the word, Nolan used the word predatory.”

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