Hezbollah thought going back to using pagers would help them
Only thing they went and got new pagers - pagers used by Hezbollah members were equipped with lithium batteries, which were likely responsible for the explosions - With batteries, a chain reaction called thermal runaway can cause the battery to generate even more heat and eventually catch fire or explode - the handheld pagers system was detonated using advanced technology that technology we don't know about
They shoulda bought 1-way pagers instead - 1-way pagers sold are powered by AA or AAA batteries - there mistake was purchasing brand new up-to-date pagers
@ecksmc it’s a hack of the system to make the batteries short out. Don’t know how but it was brilliant.
next level.
@peeppeepcircus @ecksmc or maybe Israel intercepted the shipment of pagers, installed explosives, and let them go to their destination.
@matuzalem @ecksmc @peeppeepcircus whatever system they used it was brilliant, I hope they let everyone know what they did .
@matuzalem @peeppeepcircus yeah that's likely
Reports the pagers were all from a recent shipment gives credit to this happening - they intercepted shipment - installed malware on that shipment - waited for right moment knowing all pagers were active - *pushed big red button*
@matuzalem @peeppeepcircus if you've seen video of it happening, i saw one in a market happening, the explosion doesn't look that bad but the person went down like a ton of brick's and didn't get up again
The malware & technology used, that some "experts" say was used, we more than lickey wont ever be told about in full..... For a long time that is... Unless someone leaks methods used or one pager didn't explode, and is "dissected", and malware is found its speculation really
i just saw that market video on BBC, and BBC is saying it couldn't have just been a lithium battery overheating.
@ecksmc @peeppeepcircus but we still don’t know anything about it other than the event. I’m very curious though.
@matuzalem Here's one video. Doesn't appear to be major explosives used. https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hundreds-of-hezbollah-operatives-pagers-explode-in-apparent-attack-across-lebanon-cf31cad4 @ecksmc @peeppeepcircus
there are plenty of old videos of lithium batteries exploding, in laptops, smartphones, and they do tend to explode in that manner - more smoke than flames happen - overheat a battery enough and fast enough and it will explode which you could do using malware
There was a story a few years back about something similar happening to target individuals - i cant mind keywords i used in my post - i mind me & phase talking about it when it happened
@ecksmc Hard to do it with the battery in a lot of products. A lot of packs have built-in overcharge protection which means they won't let you do something bad, and a lot of dedicated charger chips don't have software on them so they're hardwired internally to do the right thing. Also, if it's on a charger, it might be left unattended, and if it's not on a charger then it can't be overcharged.
@llondel yes if they devices weren't tampered with
that's where the malware comes into play though.
malware can override they safeguards to allow you to then do something bad
Devices overheat all the time and have been known to catch fire, even explode, not hard to imagine a tampered device actually being used as a weapon.....
Again its all speculation anyway
@ecksmc With a properly-designed circuit, you wouldn't be able to cause it with malware because there would be no mechanism for it. A poorly-designed circuit is not something you want out there for general sale in case someone else accidentally trips it. If they all went off at pretty much the same time, I would assume there was a deliberate mechanism in there - random overheating wouldn't guarantee an explosion due to slight differences in the batteries.
@ecksmc Looks like they had explosives added, based on seeing reports elsewhere. Probably triggered by paging with a particular number, pager software modified to detonate some number of seconds after receiving the page (given the reports of beeping first). Quite a sophisticated preparation to manage that.
@llondel yeah, i had seen they rumours
And apparently the batteries were used as the detonator - the pagers were intercepted and small amount of explosive put inside along with a mini trigger with batteries as detonator
@ecksmc 🤔 this does not look like a battery fire to me.
@Dane if you are talking about the one in the market place then that wasn't a battery fire that could be a battery explosion and looked like a battery explosion to me
There are plenty videos and cases of batteries actually exploding and not a flame to be seen - its more smoke than flames
Im just speculating though
@ecksmc indeed. Me 2. The chemical reaction happened very fast. Faster than I've seen batterys do. I dunno...
@Dane that just gives a lil credit to the shipment being intercepted narrative
Could be all they pagers had been tampered with and somehow a method had been found to speed up the process - malware/firmware attack - or small amount of explosion compound had been put in they devices
Back in 1996, Israel’s Shin Bet agency assassinated a Hamas bombmaker with explosives in his phone
Both are speculation though but one is real 😜😂
if malware was used, which some say was used, you could potentially gain access to a device's battery management system, which controls charging and discharging, and issue commands to rapidly overcharge the battery or prevent it from regulating heat dissipation properly. This could lead to the battery overheating and potentially catching fire or exploding.
If a Hezbollah pager shipment was intercepted that malware coulda then been put on they pagers - again some say that happened