The #Trekkies might enjoy this one:
There's some ongoing pettiness between Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga in For All Mankind, which now seems to have established that Voyager doesn't exist in its alt-2003. By the sounds of things in the latest episode, there was TOS, TNG and DS9 (or for purist alt-history nerds, TOS, TAS, and Phase II), but VOY is out.
Talk about carrying a grudge. 😅
(The grudge, for others:)
https://www.lcarscom.net/rdm1000118/
It's such a silly, small-minded move because it shouldn't even be an issue in the alt-universe. We *should* have different SF in a worñd already settling on Mars by that time.
The show had a chance to imagine completely new art to go with its changed space destiny. It chose pettiness instead. (But S4 is my least favourite anyway.)
I haven't seen it, but the Okudas post about their involvement, which I took as a good sign.
I tried reading the article, but I got tired of trying to figure out what actually happened, but only getting variations of, "I should have known, but didn't" and "I shouldn't be angry, but I am."
I'm developing a fondness for Voyager as I go through the series. It's flawed, but what isn't? But it definitely deserves to it's place in "FAM's" fictional history.
@nblumengarten @MLClark @WordsmithFL I enjoy Voyager. Like you said, it's flawed, but they all are in some way.
I bet there's nuBSG, though!
Now THAT, I can believe. I'm always disappointed when an alt-history can't imagine better alt-art to match. A good example of pulling off the trick is how Alan Moore used pirate comics for a world inundated with superheroes - but we should definitely have seen more space operas in a world already so far out in the system. Being a "Trekkie" shouldn't feel niche in FAM.
The use of pirate comics is a good example of a well thought out alt-art that fit the alt-history.
@MLClark If Ron had come on to VOY as co-equal to the other executive producers, it might have been different. As he said, he made a mistake by coming aboard as just a writer and it made him feel like he was pitching his own show.
As we've discussed, TNG and DS9 had more creative freedom because they were syndicated. VOY and ENT were UPN programs, which meant satisfying network suits, which meant creative enslavement.
DS9 also benefitted from being the "neglected child," second to TNG for its first two seasons and then second to Voyager for 4 1/2 seasons.
The suits got involved a few times (putting the kibosh on Andrew Robinson playing Garak as attracted to Bashir), but less so than its sibling shows.
@MLClark @nblumengarten @WordsmithFL That is so tiresome. So much "Waaaaaah"