Come to think of it, for the most part it really isn't right to denigrate someone's looks at all, no matter who they are, unless they're a degenerate, half-wit slob who had the nerve to say that one of the most beautiful women on the planet was "no longer a ten."

Barring plastic surgery, people generally have only a very limited ability to change the face God gave them. Weight, physical conditioning, clothing, and the way people keep and present themselves is another issue, although some people don't even have much control over that.

(I think that people who do things deliberately to make themselves ugly--whether they think what they did is ugly or not--are fair game to an extent, but only in the sense of some gentle fun-poking. Nothing vindictive. This includes people who are addicted to plastic surgery.)

(I mean, I saw a woman the other day whose face muscles couldn't move at all because she's addicted to botox. And then there are those with face tattoos and bones in their noses. Gentle teasing, yes, if I knew them well. Discrimination or being deliberately hurtful? No.)

(NB, I often make fun of the way I look, because if I don't, who will? ... Wait ... What?)

@John_Scotus tbh unless someone directly asks you what you think of their appearance, you can file it under "nunya". What people modify to feel good about themselves isn't really a matter for commentary or debate, barring people getting things like Nazi symbols, which are a clear indicator that they're likely to commit a hate crime and want everyone to know it.

@John_Scotus The majority of people are just normal looking. Normal is lumpy and obviously flawed. That's OK. Good looks are nice but they are a 2-edged sword: pretty people are a blank canvas for ppl's fantasies, and women especially are pressured and attacked for not being good fantasies. PPL think they would like to be handsomer, but they should wish for more charm instead. Charm makes even ugly people sexy and appealing.

@ToolPackinMama I agree completely. IMHO opinion, the most beautiful woman in the 20th century was Amelia Earhart, though many people nowadays would think her plain. I had a teacher who knew Eleanor Roosevelt when he was young, and he swore that she was the most beautiful woman he had ever met.

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Here’s something to ponder:

Appearance is irrelevant, fleeting, and entirely subjective. It doesn’t accurately reflect a person’s intelligence, ethics, ability. It’s entirely superficial and of no value on judging character, capability, or humanity. It has been used to repress, discriminate, objectify, deceive, shame, and manipulate. Physical appearance is wrongly overvalued.