With the 17th coming soon, I would like to remind you that "St. Patrick" was hardly a Saint. When you hear that he "drove the Snakes from Ireland", Snakes is a euphemism for Pagans, upon whom he committed Cultural and Religious Genocide. But enjoy the green food and Beer. Nothing wrong with enjoying that.
@Heucuva8 you think paganism actually left Ireland? actual lol
Some histories of Patrick suggest he helped bury it in plain sight. Intentionally.
Be careful of narratives; they can always obscure.
See, I've heard that side of the story too, but being a slave doesn't justify him murdering a lot of Pagans. If it did, we'd have no Whites left in America today.
Should he have been enslaved? No. But that was kinda the thing to do at the time.
As for the idea that he was secretly "helping the Pagans", killing them is an odd form of help.
And I don't believe he killed or drove off ALL the Pagans, but it was a lot, and he was rewarded with a Holiday for it.
@stueytheround @erose @Heucuva8 What a bummer this conversation was. Saint Patrick's Day is just a fun day to me.
@Anemone
I get you.
It is indeed a day to have fun.
It's worth knowing the truth though.
Patrick wasn't a Celtic saint in the real meaning of the word.
He was trained in a Roman Catholic monastery in France and by the time he returned to Ireland, he was already a Bishop.
The true Celtic saints had a more loving, gentle, holistic approach.
@stueytheround @erose @Heucuva8 Lots of persecution of Christians by the pagan Romans. I'm not going to perpetuate any myth of tolerant and inclusive paganism or tolerant and inclusive Christianity. They all tried to kill each other from time to time. Much better to join in some lighthearted fun on March 17th.
I'm sorry if I seem belligerent or argumentative this morning, but my violent, delusional client said if I make him clean his own apartment, so that it's ok for HUD inspection tomorrow, he's going to rape me. Administration heard him say it, but other than a Stern talking-to, he's not getting any other discussion. π π π
Appreciate it, M8. π€ I just get a little touchy about Patrick. Work stuff just made it worse today. Not to say the Celts were blameless... But Patrick is our Columbus. π
What we ALL need tho, is to let the grudges go, reach a peaceful middle ground and come together in Perfect Love and Perfect Trust. It's hard to put away the daggers completely, but I keep them out of easy reach. β₯οΈβ₯οΈβ₯οΈ