Okay, my two cents is Walz came out knowing some facts. Again, like Harris, he was strong regarding abortion policy. He was good regarding housing. Vance rambling always seemed to fall into the “drill baby drill” which, even when we DID do that, didn’t make us energy independent. Just the opposite, we became MORE dependent on cheaper, foreign oil. (See China)
Walz won in terms of facts. In subjective appearance, it was possibly a tossup.
1/2 BUT…
2/2
In terms of the MAGA base, Vance lost hard. He mentioned a few things, but was too conciliatory to Walz by treating like a human being. No nasty names or glares. No “we will fight them on the beach” or “they can take my guns from my cold dead hands” — no standout moments.
He mentioned his kids TOO much (are they running for office?). Immigrants apparently run everything.
He seemed to forget that the VP can’t write laws BUT HE CAN!
A lot of gobbledygook.
@feloneouscat Fair points. Maybe they'll write it off as an appeal to the middle, but Vance did concede some of their wishes.