“This is just a point which then opens up into an incredible structure of theoretical detail and ion some 20 years later.
But at this point, the self is a point, an attitude, that bridges conscious and unconscious, is not involved in participación mystique, characterized by detachment, and is
beyond the reach of emotional entanglements and violent shocks.”
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From Jungianthology Radio: Understanding the Meaning of Alchemy.
“We begin with participación mystique, reach detachment, and then as you say,
there is this splitting of the paths. Some go on into nirvana directly and prepare for death, and
others reach back and deal compassionately with the world.
The fulfillment that is described in the text Jung speaks of, is
spoken of as the diamond body, the spiritual man, the Christ within, self, detachment, these he says are all equivalents.”
From Jungianthology Radio: Understanding the Meaning of Alchemy.
“we are all basically on the same path, this is his conclusion. Whether you are in a Christian tradition of the Christ within,
whether you are in the Taoist tradition and you speak of the Tao,
whether you are in a Buddhist tradition and speak of achieving the Buddhahood, enlightenment, consciousness,
whether you are in analysis and you speak about breaking participación, mystique, becoming conscious,
everybody is on the same path, he says. So it must come from this level down here."
“compare Jung and William James.
James talks about the I and the me, and the stream of consciousness,
he says the I is a little point that hovers above the stream of consciousness,
it's a point of intensity, and
the me is everything that is in the stream of consciousness."
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"these two things going on, you've got a stream of consciousness flowing through, and
then you've got an I that's selecting pieces in that stream,
looking at them, dropping them, looking at them,
that's the way your ego is working most of the time.
It's hard to just focus on one thing and let the whole stream keep on going, you know, that's a discipline.”
There is something to this. Heidegger writes similarly in places, as do some mystical writers, e.g., Evelyn Underhill, Friedrich von Hűgel, etc. The particulars are, of course, nuanced,
and cannot be taken up in a short space.
yes, i agree. Jung's output is convincing evidence of that🤣🤣🤣
perhaps someone somewhere is writing about just that.
let's see if synchronicity will bring it forth🤔
maybe a few keywords 😎
the archetypes expressed individually, yet revealing universal energies.
Jung links the collective unconscious to the fact that all humans have the same bone structure. i can feel it in my bones, as is said.
i think that's a good metaphor but not merely a metaphor in the sense people use it to brush it off.
metaphor/active imagination/transformative energy.
You may want to read “Buddhist Phenomenology
A Philosophical Investigation of Yogacara Buddhism and the Ch'eng Wei-shih Lun,”
by Dan Lusthaus
thanks for the reference, which others may also find helpful.
as it happens, i have a sample of that in my Kindle app.
all these traditions' ageless wisdom coming together👌🏽
it's wonderful 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Indeed 😊🙏🏻
So very true 🕉️
@holon42 Thank you for posting the Jungian podcasts. Hope to delve into them soon. 👍
you're welcome. there's a wealth of resources on that podcast.
available on 🍎 and Spotify. maybe others too.
So Ibn ʿArabī and others regarding the “self.”
Also, yogācāric literature is replete with discussions of the “self.”
“in this letting go, breakdown of participation mystique and taking back projections, a
new center of awareness or a center of consciousness develops that Jung says is a midpoint between conscious and unconscious.
outside of participation mystique, but it observes the world. It isn't unrelated to the world outside or the world inside. It's an observation point.”
From Jungianthology Radio: Understanding the Meaning of Alchemy: Jung’s Metaphor for the Transformative Process, Jun 19, 2017