Ever end up in an argument over AI Art? I did and I'm furious with people not listening. So I ended up rage arting.. #CoSoArt Character, Seluna Silverheart from the Everlasting shard on COH: Homecoming.
@PaganMother yeah it can be quite infuriating, sigh, good that you got such a great way to channel it
@Linwelly Oh yeah absolutely. I'd been feeding the AI module I work with my own line art, and pose suggestions for prompts for a good stretch of time now, and I found a way to keep my work ethically sound with how I run with midjourney. While I am sponsored by a dear friend that loves what I produce with it, it angers me when people outright assume that it's all copied bit work when it is doing what I prompt it to, filling in the blanks, adding background and assisting with completing the works.
@Linwelly I managed to complete the piece by hand in regards to the character, I intend to edit it digitally to add a fitting background from a place in the game that the character frequents to complete the entire work. It's just so frustrating when people jump to the conclusion that my work with midjourney is all piece meal from other artists when all of it is learned techniques and styles. Something we human artists do often, interpretation of other art in our own manner.
@PaganMother the way you use it I can absolutely agree with, it is a new tool and should be used like that, but we need to find a way so the big companies behind it are forced to use only free art to teach it with. I had my own art used by them and that is kind of infuriating as well
@Linwelly Understandable, I mean a lot of work was stolen to teach the modules when they should have formulated a public pool of art that is submitted by the artists themselves to teach the AI instead. I don't know if it's possible to even do such a thing, but personally? I find that to be a more ethical answer to the issue of Midjourney scraping data early on in development to learn from. Now a days most art sites have a tag to thwart most AI art engines from using their work. "NoAI" specific.
@Linwelly Much of the problem with AI art generation has to do with sourcing at this point in time. If they had programmed in a way to scrape and learn from public sources that artists allow their work to be used for teaching the AI core itself, then yeah, go nuts with it! But they would have to put in safety-rules, such as checking for other art submissions of the piece being added to the pool, and if it's from an artist that's tagged their work specifically for approved community use.
@Linwelly However, with big name companys looking into AI generation themselves for replacing commercial artists and digital creators, they will have to have someone skilled in prompt writing and detail editing work to be able to put any of it to use. While it *is* free use, they can't copy right any of it, due to the latest ruling Midjourney/Dal-E Diffusion AI vrs Artists. So there in lies the barrier that big corps has to overcome.
@Linwelly Admittedly, I followed the case quite closely to determine if I should continue to use Midjourney and other tools or not. Given the details of them scraping in the early development, I did speak with several developers in recent months about the possibility of frameworking in ethical rules, offered the idea of public pooling art from artists wanting to support AI art development, and inviting artists to submit their own work to help further the tools learning scope. I hope they listen.
@Linwelly I do think that the artists that had their art stolen deserve compensation, but I also believe that AI development can go so much further if artists submitted their work with permissions allowing it's use for teaching the AI new styles and techniques.
@PaganMother it would be very cool if development goes the way that the modules are trained on submitted pieces, I would be happy to submit some of my work if for exchange I get some sort of use out of it and with that know that the collection was on an ehtical basis. Those trials are certainly interesting to see where it will go in the future
@Linwelly Yeah absolutely, I'm all forth helping with ethical training as well.
@Linwelly At least then artists like myself that want ethically taught engines to be available for the world to use can submit our work to share for teaching the module.