@feloneouscat I’m not going to go into a Bible debate, but it is implied in several verses , however the verses about personal responsibility are extremely important, even if you accept that life begins at conception the fetus is inside the mother and whether others like it or not she is responsible for that baby , it is her body and it is her choice , the Bible is all about personal responsibility and pro life people have to respect that, that is if they do believe in the Bible .

@Jorro

We can disagree on that point as conception is a modern concept, not a Biblical one.

The passages people frequently bring up is Jeremiah, but in reality, it is a monologue of a man’s relationship to God (and the man happens to be a prophet), not about life beginning at conception (which Jeremiah really doesn’t bring up).

It is literally rewriting passages to align with an agenda.

@feloneouscat @Jorro It shouldn’t matter how it’s written or interpreted. The religious right would not accept Buddhist law or Jewish law. In that same sense they have zero right to impact laws for all the same reasons.

@MidnightRider @feloneouscat that is exactly my point !! If I don’t want anyone else trying to impose their religious beliefs on me , why would I want to do that on others ?

@Jorro Imagine if the religious right were told a powerful group via the lobby in Washington was successful in implementing using prayer rugs twice a day was mandatory in public schools.

@MidnightRider @Jorro
I would love to see it

@Idissent you couldn’t get the religious right to agree to put the golden rule up on the wall of a school, yet they would like to put prayer up there.

@MidnightRider
None of it belongs in school. None

@Idissent It’s not going to end with Trump and his “BR 549” buddy either but hopefully less virulent variants will replace them; we can dream.

@MidnightRider @Jorro
Wait, not like that. I don't believe in prayer at school but I would love to see their faces

@Idissent @MidnightRider I don’t believe in prayers in school either, actually the Bible mentions something about that , it says that it is in the privacy of your home so nobody would see you on the streets making a show about it and people saying “ look , he is like a saint “, well , those are my words but that is the idea, you go to school to learn about science, everything else belongs to your home .

@Jorro @Idissent Jesus died because man could not stop sinning, so the religious need to stop making the sacrifice moot. In other words, leave gods kids alone, be loving, let them enjoy that sweet finite free will.☮️

@MidnightRider @Idissent exactly!! What they really want is control , that is why I call them the Taliban .

@Jorro @Idissent @MidnightRider Specifically Matthew 6:5.

@KamloopsBob Now the street corners are satellite telecasts.

@MidnightRider @KamloopsBob exactly!! And that reminds me when all those fake pastors went to the WH to pray for #tfg , it was a show only .

@feloneouscat not really because it became an issue recently with Trump and when religion became politics and not personal faith, not only talking about Jeremiah , we have the Pslams and Isaiah too , it is more than that but the point of this conversation is not if I believe or not in how life begins , it is about personal responsibility, that is how we all should tackle this and we can use it efficiently, they are trying to impose their religious beliefs on everyone and we can’t accept that .

@Jorro

I strongly disagree. Isaiah was not talking about a literal birth. He is using it as a metaphor.

"Lord, they came to you in their distress; when you disciplined them, they could barely whisper a prayer. AS A pregnant woman about to give birth writhes and cries out in her pain,” (emphasis mine)

AS A is used to indicate the use of a metaphor: “clever as a fox”, “hot as hell”, “dumb as a box of rock”—it isn’t saying a person is a fox, that one is in hell, or someone is a box of rocks.

@feloneouscat I’m not going to make this a debate , I will post it to explain to you why I believe the Bible says it , when the sperm fertilizes the egg right there all your physical characteristics are determined, the color of your hair , the color of skin and eyes , your height, everything, then read this .

@Jorro

Nor am I making it a debate. I’m pointing out that taking sentences out of context doesn’t make the argument stronger.

I’m not arguing your belief, I’m pointing out that it does not sway me.

Thank you for your explanation.

@feloneouscat I also believe in hell , but you don’t want to hear that explanation!! 🤣🤣🤣 , remember, I’m an evangelical against the religious right because I think their real goal is control , not faith , that is why I rarely talk about the Bible .

@feloneouscat @Jorro I always thought it said that when a baby takes it’s first breath…

@AverageCitizen @feloneouscat I’m a former creationist but to understand what the Bible says you also have to learn about genetics and things like that , I used to have a facebook group called “ The evolution delusion “, it has like 10,000 members now , we disagreed about politics and I left facebook and I gave them the group, if you are on Facebook you might want to try it , I don’t know if the rules changed after I left but I was strict with the posts and the material , they talk about that .

@Jorro @AverageCitizen

I grew up discussing the Bible with a theologian, so I’m good.

But thank you.